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Old 12-21-2017 | 05:09 AM
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Both airplanes are.
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Old 12-21-2017 | 12:25 PM
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NY base has some benefits I guess



https://www.ny.gov/new-york-state-pa...tion-employees

Max $1.60 per week for up to 50% of your weekly salary during FMLA.

Eventually 100%. Ramps up every year.

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Old 12-21-2017 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
Still you take off, blow one flying raw data; they go Back and look at the FDR, what you think they’d say? “Did we train you to fly a take off like that”?
All it takes is one little incident for them to see you messing around in THEIR airplane. Even after turning the autopilot on after losing an engine, they CAN still come back and screw you over something like this.
Do I believe pilots should remain proficient in flying the plane? Heck yeah, but don’t get cocky. At the end of the day your responsible for the people in the back and not your credibility on the Internet. I say this becuase a few monthes back had an FO, total thinks he’s the captain type, find him “practicing his CA flows” sitting in the left seat even before he’s been awarded the CA Spot and still hasn’t, liked to take off the autopilot at 10000 feet to stay proficient and bragged about how he thinks everyone should be able to do a single engine raw data etc and does all his take offs raw data. When i say to him I don’t want him doing that, he argues with me, tells me to show him where it says don’t do it etc.
Sounds like you’re not too confident in your Abilities in the left seat.
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Old 12-21-2017 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
Sounds like you’re not too confident in your Abilities in the left seat.
Strange how many of you pilots think. My guess is most Captains wont do
it just because its not a good practice to TEACH. This is how bad ideas
get passed around. Just because its legal doesn't make it a good idea.
This why SOP keeps changing, to counter all the bad ideas.
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Old 12-21-2017 | 02:54 PM
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Default The flight director.....

I don’t think it really matters if a person uses the FD or not. You can’t tell me the flight director is the only thing that keeps someone from striking the tail or stalling it. We’ve all gone through primary training where we learned how takeoff without bending the plane or dying.

There are plenty of appropriate times where one could go without the FD for takeoff or any other phase of flight (except RNAV SID/STAR or RVSM.) Typically a good weather day or a quiet outstation is a good time. That being said, don’t be a hero and do it in the worst conditions. It’s all common sense. Use your best judgement when choosing the level of automation. If you’re the other person who is uncomfortable with it, ask them to do it at a better time where your workload would be acceptable. If you’re never comfortable with it, you might want to practice it yourself once and a while.

If you takeoff raw data and lose an engine: “speed mode, set V2, heading mode, halfbank.” Oh look at that! The FD came back on. Then when it’s stable above 600 agl: autopilot on. You don’t have to be Captain America and keep flying raw data. If the situation changes, change the level of automation.

It really isn’t that difficult or scary. It’s using your brain and piloting skills. To the captains: if your FO does it and scares you give them a helpful critique and let them try it again. (They don’t need to act like God’s gift to aviation though. That’s just toolish.)

Unfortunately Rev 4 prohibits raw data takeoffs for everyone. I’ll miss that bit of discretion we have now. Rant over.
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Old 12-21-2017 | 03:03 PM
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Well, the 400 foot reference is no longer in the 200 cfm rev 4 as it is in the current revision expanded profile, so we need something else to debate.
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Old 12-21-2017 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
Strange how many of you pilots think. My guess is most Captains wont do
it just because its not a good practice to TEACH. This is how bad ideas
get passed around. Just because its legal doesn't make it a good idea.
This why SOP keeps changing, to counter all the bad ideas.
Sop? So you think the new canpa sop that removes the safety of capturing the lowest altitude with the autopilot is a good sop that enhances safety? I mean lord forbid two new pilots get task-saturated during the most challenging type of approach and let the autopilot fly itself into EGPWS escape maneuvers.
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Old 12-21-2017 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Sop? So you think the new canpa sop that removes the safety of capturing the lowest altitude with the autopilot is a good sop that enhances safety? I mean lord forbid two new pilots get task-saturated during the most challenging type of approach and let the autopilot fly itself into EGPWS escape maneuvers.
It's no different than how we currently fly an ILS... What keeps someone from going too low in that case?
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Old 12-21-2017 | 03:31 PM
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I love debating this stuff. Here’s my take on raw data flying (tTrolls welcome). I think the FD should always be used for the takeoff because it’s just a professional decision that shows sound judgment. Then, precluding congested airspace or high workload, I say once the flaps are up and if a pilot wants to practice their scan, have at it. Turn that bad boy off and hone that scan. It’s all good. What’s the big deal?
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Old 12-21-2017 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
It's no different than how we currently fly an ILS... What keeps someone from going too low in that case?
Well, setting DDA using the autopilot to descend to the DDA but then prior to reaching 1000 AGL it calls for us to set missed approach altitude. That means if the pilots aren’t really well in front of the plane, the airplane will continue descending below DDA with nothing but proficiency/egpws or the ground to stop it.
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