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Old 12-22-2017 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Two Kings
It looks like the Fed probably got writer's cramp from that many notes.
I mean, some of that was pretty menial.... And I get the need to get the info out, but way to call a guy out. I mean, you could've simply said, these are some notes, follow the books, don't give them an inch when they're riding along....

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Old 12-22-2017 | 06:14 PM
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Well, THIS PM does. But no. We are to xfer bleeds, shut down the APU, select CLB on the FMS, and announce “climb carats available”. But I set it, if the guy is hand flying. If already on A/P, not such a big deal, so I let him do it.

Originally Posted by seminolepilot
I’m no chuck yeager but that seems basic to me. Aim for a certain pitch angle and adjust for speed once you get there. I can only guys were getting crazy excessive pitch on TO. The PM doesn’t set the climb thrust on the 200 anymore?

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Old 12-22-2017 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by seminolepilot
I remember reading somewhere earlier this year that the FAA was going to put more emphasis on handflying.
They put out SAFO 17007.

It says, essentially, that airlines should encourage more hand flying. And that a few hand-flying tasks were recently added to the required 121 training tasks:

1. Manually controlled slow flight
2. Manually controlled loss of reliable airspeed
3. Manually controlled instrument departure and arrival
4. Upset recovery maneuvers
5. Stall prevention and stall recovery
6. Recovery from bounced landing
I didn't do any of them except #4 and 5. Any newhires care to report in?

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Old 12-22-2017 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
They put out SAFO 17007.

It says, essentially, that airlines should encourage more hand flying. And that a few hand-flying tasks were recently added to the required 121 training tasks:



I didn't do any of them except #4 and 5. Any newhires care to report in?
Recent upgrade... did all but #2.
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Old 12-22-2017 | 08:09 PM
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I don't have much to add, other than RNAV 1 SIDs require the use of the FD.
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Old 12-22-2017 | 09:14 PM
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Welcome to the discussion. This has been said several times.

With Rev 4, it will become... Posite rate, gear up. Speed mode, Nav mode. At 400’, FD off.

Merry Xmas!

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I don't have much to add, other than RNAV 1 SIDs require the use of the FD.
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Old 12-23-2017 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
Still you take off, blow one flying raw data; they go Back and look at the FDR, what you think they’d say? “Did we train you to fly a take off like that”?
All it takes is one little incident for them to see you messing around in THEIR airplane. Even after turning the autopilot on after losing an engine, they CAN still come back and screw you over something like this.
Do I believe pilots should remain proficient in flying the plane? Heck yeah, but don’t get cocky. At the end of the day your responsible for the people in the back and not your credibility on the Internet. I say this becuase a few monthes back had an FO, total thinks he’s the captain type, find him “practicing his CA flows” sitting in the left seat even before he’s been awarded the CA Spot and still hasn’t, liked to take off the autopilot at 10000 feet to stay proficient and bragged about how he thinks everyone should be able to do a single engine raw data etc and does all his take offs raw data. When i say to him I don’t want him doing that, he argues with me, tells me to show him where it says don’t do it etc.
He said that rightfully so. I would appreciate an FO who handflys and is familiar with/reviews what the CA should be doing. That’s a service to you and the folks in the back, as well as a admirable trait. Show me where in training they showed you how to do everything? The schoolhouse can talk all they want, but it’s the books that are legally binding. Guys are more likely to violate with automation mismanagement than handflying.
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Old 12-23-2017 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
So for the next few legs, I plan to enjoy my last few raw data takeoffs if the CA is OK with them, and which are allowed by the current manual.
If it’s permissible by the book, then your CA is a tool if he doesn’t like it. I would just brief what you plan to do and if the other guy wants to micromanage you, then he can have the leg.
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Old 12-23-2017 | 01:43 AM
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Anyone else happen to catch the new hire photo posted? Anyone catch the guy with the fauxhawk, GoPro lanyard, untucked Red shirt and massive sleeve tattoo on the front right. Good grief
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Old 12-23-2017 | 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
Anyone else happen to catch the new hire photo posted? Anyone catch the guy with the fauxhawk, GoPro lanyard, untucked Red shirt and massive sleeve tattoo on the front right. Good grief
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