Originally Posted by Theoden

Very interesting. I just did the math comparing a 10 year 900 Captain and found the same thing, that there is a difference of about $2,220 comparing the current book with bonus to TA without. In that case, one would have to work a maximum of an extra 1.6 hours per month to make up the difference.

I think what they are saying is that, at 83 hours worked before AND after the TA, there would be no difference in pay. But this is confusing because people think that if they are currently working 75 hours a month that they must now work 83 to break even. For someone like me, if I were currently crediting 75 hours I would have to now credit 76.6 in order to make the same pay, all other variables being the same.

The math:

CR9 10 to 11 year 2018 = $88.21
CR9.TA 10 to 11 year 2018 = $111.3

$88.21 x 75 x 12 = $79,389 (plus $23,000) = $102,389
$111.3 x 75 x 12 = $100,170 (difference of -$2,219)
$111.3 x 76.67 x 12 = $102,389

Originally Posted by Theoden

Very interesting. I just did the math comparing a 10 year 900 Captain and found the same thing, that there is a difference of about $2,220 comparing the current book with bonus to TA without. In that case, one would have to work a maximum of an extra 1.6 hours per month to make up the difference.

I think what they are saying is that, at 83 hours worked before AND after the TA, there would be no difference in pay. But this is confusing because people think that if they are currently working 75 hours a month that they must now work 83 to break even. For someone like me, if I were currently crediting 75 hours I would have to now credit 76.6 in order to make the same pay, all other variables being the same.

The math:

CR9 10 to 11 year 2018 = $88.21
CR9.TA 10 to 11 year 2018 = $111.3

$88.21 x 75 x 12 = $79,389 (plus $23,000) = $102,389
$111.3 x 75 x 12 = $100,170 (difference of -$2,219)
$111.3 x 76.67 x 12 = $102,389

Originally Posted by vessbot

Well, not exactly. It's really unclear what they meant in the memo. It says not to call for a gate assignment, but does that mean not to call for gate confirmation for what you got over ACARS? Also, it clearly says not to call Special Assist about anything routine, but that doesn't mean Gatekeeper.

Originally Posted by PT6flyer

First off its a pay raise for all pilots except 280 who average below 83. Endeavor has tons of soft pay, it's difficult to be below an 83 average. The union emails have broken down every pilot into earning brackets, you should read them.

This may be a tough one for newbies to understand, but endeavor has industry leading soft pay. Only one person found themselves at the 75 hour rate average last year of the entire pilot group (not just voters, the entire pilot group). Judging from my captains, even the 2 yr guys here still haven't opened rainmaker. Unless you're dropping trips and reserve days month after month, you're not at the 75hr rate, which is why you're never going to get it.

Only 280 of us are below the 83 hours average, and I'm not one of them.

Vote yes, vote the pay raise.

Originally Posted by Squak1200

Alright everything else aside, you guys have to stop saying its a paycut who does not average 83 hours. Like I explained the math above, 83 was the diviser they used at current payscale, at the new, proposed payscale, its different, ranging from 78 for a first year FO, 77 for 3rd year captain, and nothing for super senior guys. And that's NOT INCLUDING soft stupid pay. People need to stop saying "you can't credit 83, its a paycut", instead of telling people to pick up trips, if the union can explain this simple math to people, which apparently a lot can't see for themselves, they might actually get some "yes".

Originally Posted by prex8390

Maybe not rsv captains but LCAs were sitting right seat when they couldnt staff last year.

Originally Posted by Kforekyle

Ok, That’s a pay cut. All the other “soft money” should have been incorporated with a pay rise not a pay cut.

Originally Posted by PT6flyer

First off its a pay raise for all pilots except 280 who average below 83. Endeavor has tons of soft pay, it's difficult to be below an 83 average. The union emails have broken down every pilot into earning brackets, you should read them.

This may be a tough one for newbies to understand, but endeavor has industry leading soft pay. Only one person found themselves at the 75 hour rate average last year of the entire pilot group (not just voters, the entire pilot group). Judging from my captains, even the 2 yr guys here still haven't opened rainmaker. Unless you're dropping trips and reserve days month after month, you're not at the 75hr rate, which is why you're never going to get it.

Only 280 of us are below the 83 hours average, and I'm not one of them.

Vote yes, vote the pay raise.

Originally Posted by Squak1200

Alright everything else aside, you guys have to stop saying its a paycut who does not average 83 hours. Like I explained the math above, 83 was the diviser they used at current payscale, at the new, proposed payscale, its different, ranging from 78 for a first year FO, 77 for 3rd year captain, and nothing for super senior guys. And that's NOT INCLUDING soft stupid pay. People need to stop saying "you can't credit 83, its a paycut", instead of telling people to pick up trips, if the union can explain this simple math to people, which apparently a lot can't see for themselves, they might actually get some "yes".

Originally Posted by Squak1200

Alright everything else aside, you guys have to stop saying its a paycut who does not average 83 hours. Like I explained the math above, 83 was the diviser they used at current payscale, at the new, proposed payscale, its different, ranging from 78 for a first year FO, 77 for 3rd year captain, and nothing for super senior guys. And that's NOT INCLUDING soft stupid pay. People need to stop saying "you can't credit 83, its a paycut", instead of telling people to pick up trips, if the union can explain this simple math to people, which apparently a lot can't see for themselves, they might actually get some "yes".