Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
10-01-2017, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
Sounds sketchy. I won’t be going anywhere if the enticement is a hush hush, secret, unwritten promise. The SSP was sold as a handshake despite what the written words stated. Turns out the words were correct. I think if it exists, they would be wise to advertise and place it on paper.
I agree. However, even without the super secret squirrel bonus, Envoy still offers a slightly better overall compensation package plus a flow. For those that downplay the 6-year flow to AA, I'm betting it'll take much longer to flow to Delta even IF management decides to offer one. Anyone hired in the last 6-9 years might as well get comfortable at 9E. That is assuming DAL didn't restrict the flows to exclude previous SSP rejects.
10-01-2017, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by aviator77
I agree. However, even without the super secret squirrel bonus, Envoy still offers a slightly better overall compensation package plus a flow. For those that downplay the 6-year flow to AA, I'm betting it'll take much longer to flow to Delta even IF management decides to offer one. Anyone hired in the last 6-9 years might as well get comfortable at 9E. That is assuming DAL didn't restrict the flows to exclude previous SSP rejects.
10-01-2017, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
Good point. It really is enticing for new FOs to jump ship.
For those that aren't tied to a 9E domicile, do your research!
10-02-2017, 03:02 AM
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It's not that big of a secret. Call ENY recruiters and they'll tell you about it.
However, what is 2nd and 3rd year pay like? What is RSV like? And since you will basically be a DEC, you will be on RSV longer than anyone else on property today.
Head on over to the envoy thread and read the last 25 pages. Then decide if $41K and reduced 2nd yr pay is worth it to you. It may be, for some.
However, what is 2nd and 3rd year pay like? What is RSV like? And since you will basically be a DEC, you will be on RSV longer than anyone else on property today.
Head on over to the envoy thread and read the last 25 pages. Then decide if $41K and reduced 2nd yr pay is worth it to you. It may be, for some.
Originally Posted by aviator77
I agree. However, even without the super secret squirrel bonus, Envoy still offers a slightly better overall compensation package plus a flow. For those that downplay the 6-year flow to AA, I'm betting it'll take much longer to flow to Delta even IF management decides to offer one. Anyone hired in the last 6-9 years might as well get comfortable at 9E. That is assuming DAL didn't restrict the flows to exclude previous SSP rejects.
10-02-2017, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
Im not arguing for or against this deal. I (like most) don’t even know what this deal is. I’m trying to find what type of deal would appease your sensitive opinions on fairness. I understand premium pay and how it works, but maybe you don’t. Doesn’t seem like it would fit into your idea of fairness if we both get paid 100 hours but I got a bunch of mine at premium and you didn’t.
Since the contract that every Endeavor pilot flies under is unfair to you and favors others I want to know what needs to be done. Maybe, 11 days off and 90 hours per month at a flat salary for everyone on property? That way we all work the same amount. Maybe captains should be retitled “pilot” and first officers retitled “pilot?” That way no one feels less important and special. I’d hate for someone to get the days off they wanted and you not get yours, so maybe we shouldn’t bid but be randomly assigned work periods. No lines or reserve, that’s terribly favorabl to certain individuals. Everyone’s on call!
Is this enough? Be sure to propose your ideas to, I wouldn’t want to stifle your exceptional mind...
Since the contract that every Endeavor pilot flies under is unfair to you and favors others I want to know what needs to be done. Maybe, 11 days off and 90 hours per month at a flat salary for everyone on property? That way we all work the same amount. Maybe captains should be retitled “pilot” and first officers retitled “pilot?” That way no one feels less important and special. I’d hate for someone to get the days off they wanted and you not get yours, so maybe we shouldn’t bid but be randomly assigned work periods. No lines or reserve, that’s terribly favorabl to certain individuals. Everyone’s on call!
Is this enough? Be sure to propose your ideas to, I wouldn’t want to stifle your exceptional mind...
10-02-2017, 04:53 AM
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We need to talk about real problems here at the airline. Why do my CVG overnights now have me back at the bloody Doubletree prison instead of the Radisson downtown with activities? WTF We had good food, good views, and entertainment... now I get a $15 salad or dinner from the airport.
10-02-2017, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
Sounds sketchy. I won’t be going anywhere if the enticement is a hush hush, secret, unwritten promise. The SSP was sold as a handshake despite what the written words stated. Turns out the words were correct. I think if it exists, they would be wise to advertise and place it on paper.
10-02-2017, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone
We need to talk about real problems here at the airline. Why do my CVG overnights now have me back at the bloody Doubletree prison instead of the Radisson downtown with activities? WTF We had good food, good views, and entertainment... now I get a $15 salad or dinner from the airport.
That..... and even though the reserve grid is red we can’t pick up reserve days..... if they are under a threshold why don’t they offer reserve days to be picked up so people can actually drop something.
10-02-2017, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
Delta has a lot invested in 9e. They don't seem to have trouble
Spending money on us however a flow doesn't cost them anything.
It may even save them money as senior 9e pilots become year
One FO's at Delta. Yet Delta mgt isn't interested. They could pay us less and include a flow but they won't. We can't negotiate a flow
Unless they want it. The best we can hope for is settle for TA.
Hope hiring remains flat and wait for them to come to us with a flow.
Spending money on us however a flow doesn't cost them anything.
It may even save them money as senior 9e pilots become year
One FO's at Delta. Yet Delta mgt isn't interested. They could pay us less and include a flow but they won't. We can't negotiate a flow
Unless they want it. The best we can hope for is settle for TA.
Hope hiring remains flat and wait for them to come to us with a flow.
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