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Old 10-02-2017, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey View Post
Delta hit a snag in it's regional hiring (us) and wanted to sort out this contract to make us attractive again to keep the ball rolling for the uplift in aircraft they want us to fill. That is all. So, let's see what they give us in that effort. If we say no, they will either give us more or Comair us. The latter is not a viable option as it used to be given the current market for regional pilots.
Flawed thinking. Comair thought the same thing. Skywest, Republic, and GoJets are around for a reason and this is it. Delta would benefit from a close. Lift would be lost for a limited amount of time as our pilot jumped on the bottom of a seniority list. The wages today have limited the length and the amount of this pilot shortage. As I speak to people around GA and flight schools people who would have never considered this as a career before are now training for the job. There is a gap in pilots short term but this shortage is limited the free market has worked. I even talk to engineers and attorneys who are ready to make the jump these guys make 60-100K and hate their job working 60 hours a week on a salary. When I talk about my work rules, hours and days off their eyes light up and ask "how many multi engine hours do I need." I do believe we are looking at the top wages this market will allow. ALPA was right we didn't have a pilot shortage we had a pay shortage, and that pay shortage has ended. We need not be in a rush to push Delta into wanting to close this place down.

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Old 10-02-2017, 06:45 AM
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We need to talk about real problems here at the airline. Why do my CVG overnights now have me back at the bloody Doubletree prison instead of the Radisson downtown with activities? WTF We had good food, good views, and entertainment... now I get a $15 salad or dinner from the airport.
My understanding (so take it for what it's worth) is that some FAs complained about bed bugs, and that's all she wrote. The Radisson had its drawbacks (long van ride, road noise), but IMHO Doubletree is the worst of the three CVG hotels I've stayed at.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:54 AM
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Looks like the best we can ever hope for is the scraps of hand-me-down junkers, while other DCI carriers get the new airplanes that have a long future ahead of them. OO gets 15 more 175SC (for a total of 30) to replace the 30 ASA 70 seat CR7s.
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Old 10-02-2017, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver View Post
Looks like the best we can ever hope for is the scraps of hand-me-down junkers, while other DCI carriers get the new airplanes that have a long future ahead of them. OO gets 15 more 175SC (for a total of 30) to replace the 30 ASA 70 seat CR7s.
Delta would be a fool to purchase their own aircraft for regional feed when others are willing to purchase the aircraft (take on the liability)for them. This is a win/win for Delta, better aircraft at no additional risk. It's not like OO "gets 15 more" OO put their necks on the block and purchase them. Delta says "sure we will let you fly out passengers in your shiney new jets."
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Old 10-02-2017, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Propwash72 View Post
My understanding (so take it for what it's worth) is that some FAs complained about bed bugs, and that's all she wrote. The Radisson had its drawbacks (long van ride, road noise), but IMHO Doubletree is the worst of the three CVG hotels I've stayed at.
We need to find some bed bugs in the DoubleTree.

Pass this on to API http://registry.bedbugs.net/United-States/Hebron/13621-bed-bug-report-for-Doubletree-Cincinnati-Airport-Hotel
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Old 10-02-2017, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone View Post
Delta would be a fool to purchase their own aircraft for regional feed when others are willing to purchase the aircraft (take on the liability)for them. This is a win/win for Delta, better aircraft at no additional risk. It's not like OO "gets 15 more" OO put their necks on the block and purchase them. Delta says "sure we will let you fly out passengers in your shiney new jets."
Sure, but with an aging 900 and soon to be aging 700 fleet, it's not a good sign for us. Oh, airplanes are old? Good, Skywest can buy more for us. Also, interesting timing making that announcement right after our TA...
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Old 10-02-2017, 08:32 AM
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What is your point? Are you trying to argue that we should work to keep the bonus system? Or is this just ad hominem?
I’m not arguing either way. I’m pointing out that your ridiculous “it’s unfair” statement is whiny and points to entitlement. Since you haven’t gotten it yet, my point is, life is not fair. Someone is going to be happy and someone is going to be unhappy no matter which way this goes.
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Old 10-02-2017, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone View Post
Why would you think anything besides the words on the contract were correct? It always turns out the written words are correct.
Were you here during the bankruptcy? Did you attend the roadshows? If you did, you would know what I’m referring to. Maybe you ignored the BS that was fed to the group, but many people didn’t.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:00 AM
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They have already said no twice to these guys. This is the reason Delta will not provide a flow to this company for a long time, the first group of guys are people that they didn't want. Flowing them would probably cause a lot of problems for Delta. These guys rightfully have a chip on their shoulder about Delta, they were rejected and no one likes to be rejected. Delta said no to many of these guys because they wouldn't be good for Delta, I found who were rejected just didn't fit into an airline who's focus is customer service and professionalism vs. price. (If that statement offends you, you are one of the guys who I understand got the double know. If you understand the statement I'm sorry you are probably the 1:10 that Delta let get away) Anyway flowing the senior guys to FO's right now would probably be a bad idea for both Delta and the pilots in both the short run and long run. The only way a flow will happen is when this group is greatly reduced by attrition and time heals the wounds.
Thanks but I think your wrong.
I would say more than half of the 8 year plus pilots
Haven't interviewed at Delta. They may see that as a double
No but it's not.
Many double no's have already left for other greener/major
Pastures.
However how many NWA pilots were interviewed and not hired by
Delta? We don't know but I would imagine it's in the hundreds.
With that said Delta will decide who they hire or not. We cannot
Negotiate a flow only wait in case they change their minds.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:50 AM
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I think we should all wait to actually see what's in the TA...that being said, I'm not holding my breath for a flow.
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