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10-03-2017, 06:24 AM

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Avroman

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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey

Again! Will there be a signing bonus or any retropay with the new TA?

No, as this deal would be done before the amendable date of the current contract, all we might get close to that is one last retention payment in January with the new pay taking effect Jan 1. Wait til Wednesday to know for sure, but I'd bet my next bonus check that's what would be set up.

10-03-2017, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by saab340driver

Incorrect. Saw the screen shot of a current 6 yr Mad Dog FO's 2016 pay stub year end gross pay: $342,000 and some change.

I heard about this guy on my last jumpseat. He bids to fly with LCAs, then he gets kicked off those flights because the LCAs need to fly with the new hires.
So, he gets paid to not fly those flights.

Then, on the days off he now has from getting kicked off the flights, he picks up the green/yellow slips (whichever one, I can't remember the color) for 2x pay.

10-03-2017, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

There is no substantial fleet growth left, just musical chairs on the titanic. If the fleet plan is 160-180 planes, we are already at around 140 growing to around 150. Its just swap CR2 for CR7/9 coming in the future...

If we could only be so lucky to get a deck chair. More accurate would be which boiler room are we in. Kepp shoveling that coal!

10-03-2017, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

Your inability to understand what some of us are trying to tell you does not mean we have to break it down to kindergarten level for you any further. I get it. Life is unfair, and you want fair. I have no issues with that. Trouble is, what is fair for YOU is unfair for someone else. But I doubt you care much about that.

He’s not going to get what we are saying, I quit trying. Some just can’t understand unless it lines up with their view of how the world should cater to them

10-03-2017, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

All I did was argue that we should be working to restore our pay structure to something that more accurately reflects the historical norm. In a thread full of people that feel they are owed a job at Delta, and crying bloody murder over a very minor cut in hard pay that will likely be made up by improvements in soft pay, somehow I became the entitled snowflake. The bonus structure cost our average line pilot nearly 5 thousand dollars last year. It cost me over 10. If either of you would like to have an actual discussion over the substance of my post, I'd be happy to oblige.

10-03-2017, 07:20 AM

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“Endeavor is the gold standard” ED B.... gives planes to Skywest.

10-03-2017, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

So 140 planes now, with and additional 20 to 40 in the future. That doesn't sound like a sinking ship. At what point do people stop wanting to pretend the airline hasn't turned around?

10-03-2017, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 172skychicken

That was a good post. I happen to agree with most of your points. I also think we are better off with a straight pay rate system. The flow conversation is worth having, but I don’t think it should be the only thing that is factored when it comes to voting on this TA. I would rather get the pay locked in now without an expiration and then work on improvements from there. I don’t feel anyone is owed a job elsewhere, but if we were able to leverage staffing into an improved program, awesome.

The issue I took with your post was the way you declared the current system unfair to you and favoring others. That’s why I felt you were acting like a snowflake, that’s why I pointed out life isn’t fair. You might be wonderfully unexceptional and actually a great person. Your post just didn’t come off that way.

10-03-2017, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbandrone

So 140 planes now, with and additional 20 to 40 in the future. That doesn't sound like a sinking ship. At what point do people stop wanting to pretend the airline hasn't turned around?

It’s much like the news. Sensationalism and over exaggerating our imminent demise is much less boring than a bunch of posts about how we actually have it alright.

Don’t you know we’ll be replaced by Skywest/robots any day now?

10-03-2017, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceberg

The issue I took with your post was the way you declared the current system unfair to you and favoring others. That’s why I felt you were acting like a snowflake, that’s why I pointed out life isn’t fair. You might be wonderfully unexceptional and actually a great person. Your post just didn’t come off that way.

Then you took it out of context and blew it way out of proportion. I don't think I made a reference to myself in the initial post. Poor diction? Perhaps inequitable or unbalanced would have been a better choice? Sorry for the trigger.