KSCessnaDriver

Regional lateral moves are exactly what the majors want. They want cheap flying at the regional level and a ton of pilots on year 1 pay promotes that exact thing.

KSCessnaDriver

You'd flow at best in what, 6 years at PDT/PSA/Envoy? Look at the number of pilots needing to be hired at DL/UA/AA/WN/FX/UPS in the next 6 years. Then look at the number of regional pilots available. Retirements alone in the year 2020 are pushing 2200 pilots from those 6 carriers, that doesn't include any kind of growth (that's likely to happen to replace RJ feed that isn't being flown). Then throw in the LCCs and ACMI carriers. The numbers don't lie, a flow isn't needed to get hired somewhere in the next 5 years.

msprj2

Delta has a lot invested in 9e. They don't seem to have trouble
Spending money on us however a flow doesn't cost them anything.
It may even save them money as senior 9e pilots become year
One FO's at Delta. Yet Delta mgt isn't interested. They could pay us less and include a flow but they won't. We can't negotiate a flow
Unless they want it. The best we can hope for is settle for TA.
Hope hiring remains flat and wait for them to come to us with a flow.

Rawhide16

Go to Envoy! $41k bonus for most with 800 Part 121 and a clean record, AA profit sharing, and flow! I like 9E but you can't beat that deal with a stick right now.

Propwash72

I've heard that $41K bonus talk a couple of times in the last week. Where are you getting that info?

Ground Effect

I've heard $61/hr year 1 FO pay. That's pretty incredible if you compare just a few years ago. Who cares about a flow. I highly doubt I'll be counting on a 6 year flow.

Casualinterest

Nothing on their website or APC about that. Just says 21k. You thinking of air Wisconsin??

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Rawhide16

It's a hush hush deal that Envoy is offering. Here's the info that was posted on The Pilot Network Facebook page a few days ago...

"It's called the high value aviator program. In order to qualify for the additional $20k," you must have the following:
1) 800 hrs 121
2) no failed check rides ****BUT if you had to retake ANY sim during initial of your other airline, that could disqualify you - even if it wasn't a check ride***
3) pass a "much harder interview, consisting of mostly detailed FAR instrument procedures, fuel for 121 flights/alternates, etc."
4) half hour one-on-one sit down with the chief of training (where he can ask you anything)"

No one has seen anything in writing about it but several people have confirmed its existence.

Iceberg

Im not arguing for or against this deal. I (like most) don’t even know what this deal is. I’m trying to find what type of deal would appease your sensitive opinions on fairness. I understand premium pay and how it works, but maybe you don’t. Doesn’t seem like it would fit into your idea of fairness if we both get paid 100 hours but I got a bunch of mine at premium and you didn’t.

Since the contract that every Endeavor pilot flies under is unfair to you and favors others I want to know what needs to be done. Maybe, 11 days off and 90 hours per month at a flat salary for everyone on property? That way we all work the same amount. Maybe captains should be retitled “pilot” and first officers retitled “pilot?” That way no one feels less important and special. I’d hate for someone to get the days off they wanted and you not get yours, so maybe we shouldn’t bid but be randomly assigned work periods. No lines or reserve, that’s terribly favorabl to certain individuals. Everyone’s on call!

Is this enough? Be sure to propose your ideas to, I wouldn’t want to stifle your exceptional mind...

Iceberg

Sounds sketchy. I won’t be going anywhere if the enticement is a hush hush, secret, unwritten promise. The SSP was sold as a handshake despite what the written words stated. Turns out the words were correct. I think if it exists, they would be wise to advertise and place it on paper.