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Old 10-01-2017, 09:40 AM
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I'm awaiting a class date. Seven years and no flow would change my mind. The big D can only continue to be so picky for so long. In addition, Reserve to cover JFK and LGA, and EWR, I suppose, would be horrendous! What attracted me was seperate bases and fleets. An eighteen month lock would scare me off as well. Now of course it's all speculation at this point but If the majority just say no without flow, it would get big daddies attention. The days of whipsawing are over. Every regional needs crews and so do the majors. It is now more in our favor than ever before. Don't be fooled by money or miniscule work rules. I wait with baited breath but have other regionals, ie; the AA WOs, to choose from. In other words, if your going to have to commute, or live, in the Northeast, why not choose one of those carriers? Best of luck. I'll be tuned in Wednesday.
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Boats and Hos View Post
I'm awaiting a class date. Seven years and no flow would change my mind. The big D can only continue to be so picky for so long. In addition, Reserve to cover JFK and LGA, and EWR, I suppose, would be horrendous! What attracted me was seperate bases and fleets. An eighteen month lock would scare me off as well. Now of course it's all speculation at this point but If the majority just say no without flow, it would get big daddies attention. The days of whipsawing are over. Every regional needs crews and so do the majors. It is now more in our favor than ever before. Don't be fooled by money or miniscule work rules. I wait with baited breath but have other regionals, ie; the AA WOs, to choose from. In other words, if your going to have to commute, or live, in the Northeast, why not choose one of those carriers? Best of luck. I'll be tuned in Wednesday.
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but if you come here i think you'd better be willing to accept a reality that everything career wise here will be behind the industry or at the very least behind Envoy. APA honestly acts as though they care about their regional pilots. That caring translates to huge career progression as opposed to Delta who will pay top dollar to make up for that lack of career progression.
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Old 10-01-2017, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PT6flyer View Post
Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but if you come here i think you'd better be willing to accept a reality that everything career wise here will be behind the industry or at the very least behind Envoy. APA honestly acts as though they care about their regional pilots. That caring translates to huge career progression as opposed to Delta who will pay top dollar to make up for that lack of career progression.
APA has nothing to do with AA WO flows.....Nothing.
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Old 10-01-2017, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Boats and Hos View Post
I'm awaiting a class date. Seven years and no flow would change my mind. The big D can only continue to be so picky for so long. In addition, Reserve to cover JFK and LGA, and EWR, I suppose, would be horrendous! What attracted me was seperate bases and fleets. An eighteen month lock would scare me off as well. Now of course it's all speculation at this point but If the majority just say no without flow, it would get big daddies attention. The days of whipsawing are over. Every regional needs crews and so do the majors. It is now more in our favor than ever before. Don't be fooled by money or miniscule work rules. I wait with baited breath but have other regionals, ie; the AA WOs, to choose from. In other words, if your going to have to commute, or live, in the Northeast, why not choose one of those carriers? Best of luck. I'll be tuned in Wednesday.
Just what is stopping you now? If you feel that way why arenít you already in line at an AA WO? Why wait for a vote at an airline you donít work at to make the decision? Tough language, but as with all things, actions speak louder than words. Thatís how we got the bonuses in the first place. Two pilots leaving per day, not a bunch of Internet tough guys threatening to leave. This will be no different.
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Old 10-01-2017, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 172skychicken View Post
Seriously? With such a significant percentage of compensation being tied to a bonus, someone who is crediting 100 hours is making less per hour than someone who is crediting 75 hours. Just because you are making guarantee does not make your time more valuable than someone who is crediting over guarantee.
I still don't understand this logic. If we all fought for a 75 hour conversion you'd be making even more money at 100 hours per month and no one in the company would lose money....

How does us breaking even hurt you??? By being ok with 83 hours you're ok with taking less money than you could be, and you're locking yourself into a situation where you could never ever slow down without losing money. Don't you want to have time with your family occasionally? Or get a family? Hobby? TV is getting really good these days... Why would you want to credit 100 hours every month for the rest of your career here?

As usual, pilots will step over the body of another pilot to get something that benefits them. "We're all in this together.... Until we're not...."

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Old 10-01-2017, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
Just what is stopping you now? If you feel that way why arenít you already in line at an AA WO? Why wait for a vote at an airline you donít work at to make the decision? Tough language, but as with all things, actions speak louder than words. Thatís how we got the bonuses in the first place. Two pilots leaving per day, not a bunch of Internet tough guys threatening to leave. This will be no different.
This ^^^^^
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Old 10-01-2017, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
How do you feel about 150% or 200% pay? Is that unfair to someone working next to you for ďonlyĒ 100%? Probably shouldnít except premium pay either because it skews the pay rates and makes it unfair. Shoot, on this train of thought, in the interest of fairness, I propose we all work for first year pay. That way itís fair.

Happy now, chicken?
What? Premium pay is premium pay. You get it for a reason. Whether that be a pickup, an extension, a junior extension, or a BYD day. If someone wants premium pay, they can make it happen. Currently, someone flying a 90 hour credit pushed line, or flying 100 hours on reserve is effectively making less per hour than someone crediting guarantee. That is not right, and runs contrary to historical precedence for pilot compensation here in the US. Not everyone making over guarantee is an opentime fiend. If anyone actually has a coherent argument that explains why a bonus structure is preferable to pay rates, I'd love to hear it.

I think some of you might be surprised how few pilots here are going to be willing to burn the place down trying prevent what likely won't be a pay cut due to increases in per diem, sick accrual, and 401k match. Or flow. Particularly when you factor in the restoration ALPA was seeking for the senior guys.
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Old 10-01-2017, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
Scheduled credit is based off of Scheduled Average Times, not block times. Thereís a chart in the bid pack, itís a 3 month moving average of actual leg times by aircraft. You actually get paid the greater of the SAT or your actual flown block.
OK that makes sense. Thanks for the quick answer
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Old 10-01-2017, 01:42 PM
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I think DAL would shut everyone up if they would include us in the 16% Defined Contribution plan or at least include us in the profit sharing program. AA offers profit sharing to its WO.
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Old 10-01-2017, 01:46 PM
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What? Premium pay is premium pay. You get it for a reason. Whether that be a pickup, an extension, a junior extension, or a BYD day. If someone wants premium pay, they can make it happen. Currently, someone flying a 90 hour credit pushed line, or flying 100 hours on reserve is effectively making less per hour than someone crediting guarantee. That is not right, and runs contrary to historical precedence for pilot compensation here in the US. Not everyone making over guarantee is an opentime fiend. If anyone actually has a coherent argument that explains why a bonus structure is preferable to pay rates, I'd love to hear it.

I think some of you might be surprised how few pilots here are going to be willing to burn the place down trying prevent what likely won't be a pay cut due to increases in per diem, sick accrual, and 401k match. Or flow. Particularly when you factor in the restoration ALPA was seeking for the senior guys.
God you're backwards. The bonuses will end if not renewed and you're welcome to vote that way. The majority of pilots are harmed by a low wage and high bonus. You're trying to rationalize your way of life to everyone and you're in the historic and present day minority.

Negotiations have always used an 83 hour guarontee as a basis for cost analysis. The union has, the company has, and the company started at 87. If you wanna work 75 go ahead, you'll make less than the pilots crediting more just like before.

Most pilots refuse to drive this company off a bridge or threaten to in order to protect a few guys here that love the deal they have now.

You didn't care to leave when your wages were crap and you don't care about a wage increase. Apparently you got used to it. I'm looking forward to some 7k months.
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