Endeavor is held privately by Delta. Private companies don't file with the SEC unless required by special case. We are a separate operating certificate.

Unfortunately, ALPA allows this condition to exist.

 

We're filed under the Delta corporate holding company just like DGS. Delta may do it for us but this company is owned by a public company and the SEC mandates our filing so there are no secret cash reserves or slush funds which protects the investors (SEC only job).

ALPA doesn't have any magic powers or legal powers to disrupt legal corporate entities or their organizational models.

Maybe pilots should be more unified and they'd stop the regional model but mainline pilots have had that opportunity for decades and refuse to do anything about it. ALPA is made up of the pilots, represents pilots, and the pilots have spoken. When we make it to mainline maybe we'll care about the regionals more than these guys above us now. Get bored sometime, look at all the things APA is doing for their ALPA regionals. With the exception of APA pilots, mainline pilots clearly look down on regionals as a whole.

There is no unity. There is no magic bullet. Don't wear the hat. Drop the brake early. Vote and get involved. Beers taste best when free or on sale.

 

APA has fought hard over the years, they won single carrier status in 1993. http://storage.googleapis.com/nmb-ks...0_No%20023.pdf
ALPA however, had other plans, they developed the dual class pilot system. When APA went back to the national mediation board, again in 1997, to recapture scope, the NMB used the Comair agreement to destroy those efforts. All this resulted in, was that 50% of AA positions to be filled by Eagle system pilots.

 

I'm awaiting a class date. Seven years and no flow would change my mind. The big D can only continue to be so picky for so long. In addition, Reserve to cover JFK and LGA, and EWR, I suppose, would be horrendous! What attracted me was seperate bases and fleets. An eighteen month lock would scare me off as well. Now of course it's all speculation at this point but If the majority just say no without flow, it would get big daddies attention. The days of whipsawing are over. Every regional needs crews and so do the majors. It is now more in our favor than ever before. Don't be fooled by money or miniscule work rules. I wait with baited breath but have other regionals, ie; the AA WOs, to choose from. In other words, if your going to have to commute, or live, in the Northeast, why not choose one of those carriers? Best of luck. I'll be tuned in Wednesday.

 

Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but if you come here i think you'd better be willing to accept a reality that everything career wise here will be behind the industry or at the very least behind Envoy. APA honestly acts as though they care about their regional pilots. That caring translates to huge career progression as opposed to Delta who will pay top dollar to make up for that lack of career progression.

 

APA has nothing to do with AA WO flows.....Nothing.

 

Just what is stopping you now? If you feel that way why aren’t you already in line at an AA WO? Why wait for a vote at an airline you don’t work at to make the decision? Tough language, but as with all things, actions speak louder than words. That’s how we got the bonuses in the first place. Two pilots leaving per day, not a bunch of Internet tough guys threatening to leave. This will be no different.

 

I still don't understand this logic. If we all fought for a 75 hour conversion you'd be making even more money at 100 hours per month and no one in the company would lose money....

How does us breaking even hurt you??? By being ok with 83 hours you're ok with taking less money than you could be, and you're locking yourself into a situation where you could never ever slow down without losing money. Don't you want to have time with your family occasionally? Or get a family? Hobby? TV is getting really good these days... Why would you want to credit 100 hours every month for the rest of your career here?

As usual, pilots will step over the body of another pilot to get something that benefits them. "We're all in this together.... Until we're not...."

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This ^^^^^

 

What? Premium pay is premium pay. You get it for a reason. Whether that be a pickup, an extension, a junior extension, or a BYD day. If someone wants premium pay, they can make it happen. Currently, someone flying a 90 hour credit pushed line, or flying 100 hours on reserve is effectively making less per hour than someone crediting guarantee. That is not right, and runs contrary to historical precedence for pilot compensation here in the US. Not everyone making over guarantee is an opentime fiend. If anyone actually has a coherent argument that explains why a bonus structure is preferable to pay rates, I'd love to hear it.

I think some of you might be surprised how few pilots here are going to be willing to burn the place down trying prevent what likely won't be a pay cut due to increases in per diem, sick accrual, and 401k match. Or flow. Particularly when you factor in the restoration ALPA was seeking for the senior guys.