Very interesting. I just did the math comparing a 10 year 900 Captain and found the same thing, that there is a difference of about $2,220 comparing the current book with bonus to TA without. In that case, one would have to work a maximum of an extra 1.6 hours per month to make up the difference.

I think what they are saying is that, at 83 hours worked before AND after the TA, there would be no difference in pay. But this is confusing because people think that if they are currently working 75 hours a month that they must now work 83 to break even. For someone like me, if I were currently crediting 75 hours I would have to now credit 76.6 in order to make the same pay, all other variables being the same.

The math:

CR9 10 to 11 year 2018 = $88.21
CR9.TA 10 to 11 year 2018 = $111.3

$88.21 x 75 x 12 = $79,389 (plus $23,000) = $102,389
$111.3 x 75 x 12 = $100,170 (difference of -$2,219)
$111.3 x 76.67 x 12 = $102,389

 

First off its a pay raise for all pilots except 280 who average below 83. Endeavor has tons of soft pay, it's difficult to be below an 83 average. The union emails have broken down every pilot into earning brackets, you should read them.

This may be a tough one for newbies to understand, but endeavor has industry leading soft pay. Only one person found themselves at the 75 hour rate average last year of the entire pilot group (not just voters, the entire pilot group). Judging from my captains, even the 2 yr guys here still haven't opened rainmaker. Unless you're dropping trips and reserve days month after month, you're not at the 75hr rate, which is why you're never going to get it.

Only 280 of us are below the 83 hours average, and I'm not one of them.

Vote yes, vote the pay raise.

 

When will November's schedules load in rainmaker?

Thanks

 

Ok, That’s a pay cut. All the other “soft money” should have been incorporated with a pay rise not a pay cut.

 

You ever heard of inflation? How about 401K, have you seen what Congress is going to do next month without even a Democratic vote nor the president’s approval? They propose to cut your allowable contribution by about half to fund tax cuts for the rich. Don’t you want to make more to offset that? Did you see what’s happening to insurance premiums? They’re on the rise. Don’t you want to be able to make a bit more to offset that cost?

I’m changing my prediction to this pilot group voting YES now because of the carrot being dangled but I assure you that you will see less money in the bank roll than you’re currently getting with the bonus. Go fish.

 

I doubt the fleet guy has ever even been to ATL. Here is the easiest thing to do when you want to confirm your gate after landing and you have a working ACARS.

MCDU->ACARS->DEPT/ENROUTE->Gate Request (R5 I think it is)

If the gate hasn’t changed then nothing will change. If it has, you’ll see a new gate, receive a SELCAL aural tone, and see a message on the MCDU CDU that says GATE REV* That being said, you never really have to call ops anywhere for anything. They usually know the Special Assist needs already. but if you need blue juice n crap like that, then you call the appropriate freq listed for that concourse in ATL.

 

Alright everything else aside, you guys have to stop saying its a paycut who does not average 83 hours. Like I explained the math above, 83 was the diviser they used at current payscale, at the new, proposed payscale, its different, ranging from 78 for a first year FO, 77 for 3rd year captain, and nothing for super senior guys. And that's NOT INCLUDING soft stupid pay. People need to stop saying "you can't credit 83, its a paycut", instead of telling people to pick up trips, if the union can explain this simple math to people, which apparently a lot can't see for themselves, they might actually get some "yes".

 

I think the union should post another email explaining what you would have to work for credit to get paid the same as now. That would definitely change some minds. A pot of people are still under the impression they have to work 83.

 

It would nearly take an act of God for that to happen... LCA's aren't sitting around to be used in both seats on a whim (even the reserve LCA's)

 

Well, it's a pay raise for most pilots, and a slight paycut for a minority. Some disparity is inevitable. If we did a 75 hour divisor the people currently making more would get more of a raise than the people doing min-guar, and then the money which went into that would have to be subtracted from other areas. Perhaps that would be better? If you are imagining that there was simply more value to be gotten, then that is another matter. I don't know how we would know how much money the company is willing to spend to staff 9E, however, since they are having no problem staffing it now, it seems unlikely that they would spend significantly more than they currently are.