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12-24-2017, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Is there anything in the FARs or AIM that specifies altitude for sterile cockpit? Other than our manuals, I mean? 121.542 just says 10,000 feet, and doesn’t specify what measurement is being used. OAL use 10,000 MSL, just curious why we choose “approximately 10,000’ AFE”, when there is an easier number to see on our instruments?
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12-24-2017, 06:57 PM
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If the chime is really for FAs, and provides a known amount of time, then it should be based on time to landing, not altitude. Consider flights that never get up to 10,000.
OAL use 10,000 MSL for the chime, just curious as to why we choose to be different. Haven’t really paid attention when on DL JS, but maybe it’s “the Delta way”.
OAL use 10,000 MSL for the chime, just curious as to why we choose to be different. Haven’t really paid attention when on DL JS, but maybe it’s “the Delta way”.
Originally Posted by mooney
Remember, we have a crew member or 2 in the back too. We have standard altitudes we as pilots do things at, this gives the FA's a standard altitude and thus known quantity of time to finish all the junk they need to do. The chime is their trigger, take a peek in the FAM all the stuff they are supposed to accomplish. Now they don't have to google the elevation of Denver, Boise or Casper to see how fast they have to work. Per FOM, sterile for cockpit is still 10k msl and 1000 feet to level off, the 10000 afe chime is simply for the flight attendant as far as I can see, so we can chat away between 10k afe and 10k Msl. The only place in a company manuals that states the 10k agl chime is the start of sterile is in the FAM, which obviously we don't have to follow.
12-24-2017, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
If the chime is really for FAs, and provides a known amount of time, then it should be based on time to landing, not altitude. Consider flights that never get up to 10,000.
OAL use 10,000 MSL for the chime, just curious as to why we choose to be different. Haven’t really paid attention when on DL JS, but maybe it’s “the Delta way”.
OAL use 10,000 MSL for the chime, just curious as to why we choose to be different. Haven’t really paid attention when on DL JS, but maybe it’s “the Delta way”.
12-24-2017, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
If the chime is really for FAs, and provides a known amount of time, then it should be based on time to landing, not altitude. Consider flights that never get up to 10,000.
OAL use 10,000 MSL for the chime, just curious as to why we choose to be different. Haven’t really paid attention when on DL JS, but maybe it’s “the Delta way”.
OAL use 10,000 MSL for the chime, just curious as to why we choose to be different. Haven’t really paid attention when on DL JS, but maybe it’s “the Delta way”.
12-25-2017, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Depends on the airline. OO chimes at FL180 on the way down, as best as I can tell...
I don’t buy the FA argument in regards to 10,000 AFE because the first thing they want to know when they walk onboard is the flight time and mileage. The chime just tells them when they can begin/wrap up that process.
12-25-2017, 09:54 AM
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Here's my take on doing things STANDARD, SOP or BY THE BOOK. As a Captain, it makes things so much easier on the FO if the Captain at least tries to operate Standard.
Is Standard perfect? No, but at least everything is predictable.
Should every deviation from Standard be a beatdown event? No, but Standard should be the target. All planned deviations should be prebriefed thru an archaic method of communication called talking.
Be nice to the FO.
That's all.
Is Standard perfect? No, but at least everything is predictable.
Should every deviation from Standard be a beatdown event? No, but Standard should be the target. All planned deviations should be prebriefed thru an archaic method of communication called talking.
Be nice to the FO.
That's all.
12-25-2017, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
If the chime is really for FAs, and provides a known amount of time, then it should be based on time to landing, not altitude. Consider flights that never get up to 10,000.
OAL use 10,000 MSL for the chime, just curious as to why we choose to be different. Haven’t really paid attention when on DL JS, but maybe it’s “the Delta way”.
OAL use 10,000 MSL for the chime, just curious as to why we choose to be different. Haven’t really paid attention when on DL JS, but maybe it’s “the Delta way”.
12-25-2017, 10:51 AM
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Correct. 18,000 down, 10,000 on the way up. MSL. You know, because you can see that in the cockpit.
Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Depends on the airline. OO chimes at FL180 on the way down, as best as I can tell...
12-25-2017, 10:53 AM
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Didn’t it used to be based on time at one of the previous three pieces, pre-merger? Seems I have heard someone mention that.
If it’s for FA timing, it should be based on time to landing. If it’s for sterile cockpit, then it should be MSL, unless in higher terrain, then AFE.
If it’s for FA timing, it should be based on time to landing. If it’s for sterile cockpit, then it should be MSL, unless in higher terrain, then AFE.
Originally Posted by Farmlover
We do it at 10,000 afe. So probably why you switched to that. We go into many high alt places and if you chime at msl it gives the fa's a very short amount of time to prepare for landing.
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