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Old 12-31-2017, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Space Ranger View Post
I sure hope this petty hourly wage earner attitude is succinctly a ďregional thing.Ē How some can claim to be professionals and argue they deserve ďmainline payĒ yet, still encourage a mass grievance filing to task saturate the union and take them away from trying to remedy issues that actually matter, is foolish. Your company just passed a new TA, youíre less than 24 hours away in paid more than anyone in the regional industry, how about you lighten up Francis.

As far as Iím concerned they can push the implementation of the 12 days off as long as they want if it means more time without the codomicile...which transportation from base to base still hasnít been figured out btw.

Iím all about being paid for the work I do but if youíre actually filling a grievance over that you need to re-evaluate some things. Realize that we voted on this thing not more than 2 months ago. Act like, or at least try your very best to be a professional.
Its not a petty wage earner thing. Itís a contract thing. The company reps signed and the union reps signed. Now it needs to be honored. The grievance can be a group deal just like it was with the goat rodeo that was made out of reserve transparency. Itís not an unnecessary time waster for the union. Itís upholding the contract. Just like you would want if they made an error and didnít pay you min day or any other contractual clause. What contract violation would be ďtoo farĒ for you?
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Old 12-31-2017, 12:39 PM
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Yeah, I donít think so. Hypocritical how? Iím not filing a grievance about the codomocile am I?

In the grand scheme of things I donít think the ONE day youíre losing this month warrants a grievance from every single reserve pilot at the company, especially since reserves are still allowed the 2 day work period. Itís not like company is holding one over on you. They are out on things they wanted implemented as well. Itís a process. Relax. But who knows, maybe Iím just looking at the big picture. Sorry, Iíll go put my lime green ďno flow no voteĒ lanyard on and fall back in-line with the rest of the cadre.
That's one fewer day I have at home with my family (in violation of the new contract). I'm already away from them 2/3 of the month. You seem to forget that part of the union's job is to take care of contract violations for us. You don't have to go to infinity and beyond to see that 11 days off violates the contract to our detriment.

I appreciate the company's transparency with the troubles with the software vendor, but 12 days off is 12 days off, not 11. Reserves should grieve that contract violation and let the union do their job.
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Old 12-31-2017, 12:57 PM
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Some of you should stop moaning so much. You get what you voted for. What I’d like to wish you all is a happy new year. And during this New Year weekend, say good bye to:

N8905F (traverse city plane)
N8913A
N8944B
N8960E
N8940E
N8964E
And N8921B

Peace out MSP200s
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Old 12-31-2017, 01:19 PM
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Considering 12 days off being tied to the software company was agreed to by the union during the implementation talks, grieving it is pointless whether you like it or not. Union already gave their blessing Just a ten minute waste of everyone's time.
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Old 12-31-2017, 01:22 PM
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Some of you should stop moaning so much. You get what you voted for. What Iíd like to wish you all is a happy new year. And during this New Year weekend, say good bye to:

N8905F (traverse city plane)
N8913A
N8944B
N8960E
N8940E
N8964E
And N8921B

Peace out MSP200s
3 of them are already in IGM... but I think 8907 coming from ATL last night put up a fight.


Also for all the people saying you should grieve the 12 days off. Please, fill out the form- but the union and company already met and hashed out the resolution to not getting 12 days off for reserves and lack of long call. Unless you all would like to have the 3 day min reserve stretch, and co domicile in order to get a monetary pay out for the lack of long call and lack of 12th day off.

Just realize that the deal takes time to implement. The union advocated that since we couldn't take advantage of the contract provisions we wanted, the company shouldn't be able to take advantage of the portions of the contact they wanted.
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Old 12-31-2017, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles View Post
That's one fewer day I have at home with my family (in violation of the new contract). I'm already away from them 2/3 of the month. You seem to forget that part of the union's job is to take care of contract violations for us. You don't have to go to infinity and beyond to see that 11 days off violates the contract to our detriment.

I appreciate the company's transparency with the troubles with the software vendor, but 12 days off is 12 days off, not 11. Reserves should grieve that contract violation and let the union do their job.
I donít feel like wasting my precious days off filling out a grievance and doing work stuff. Be happy with your pay increase. Unlike what other people believe, I DONT work for mainline and I DONT ďbasically do the same jobĒ as them. Iím happy with what I have and I understand with all these changes it takes time to implement them. I donít see the big conspiracy against us I guess.
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Old 12-31-2017, 03:04 PM
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I donít feel like wasting my precious days off filling out a grievance and doing work stuff. Be happy with your pay increase.
That's why I took 5 minutes during a sit at the airport to do it It seriously amazes me how triggered some pilots get by other pilots standing up for themselves.
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Old 12-31-2017, 03:09 PM
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That's why I took 5 minutes during a sit at the airport to do it It seriously amazes me how triggered some pilots get by other pilots standing up for themselves.
Iím getting paid at work to fly airplanes not send emails. Nothing like watching someone get triggered when no one else gets behind him. But send your grievance. I came into this industry knowing Iíll be away from home. Maybe an office job is better suited for you if one day for a few a month or two means that much to you.
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Old 12-31-2017, 03:33 PM
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Iím getting paid at work to fly airplanes not send emails. Nothing like watching someone get triggered when no one else gets behind him. But send your grievance. I came into this industry knowing Iíll be away from home. Maybe an office job is better suited for you if one day for a few a month or two means that much to you.
It's pretty awesome this is the stuff we're *****ing about on here. Man could it be worse... The PSA, envoy, and xjt forums are full of people with much bigger beefs than us. You'd think from the PSA and envoy forums that the sky is falling. I've read boards from like 5 other companies in negotiations and they're all referencing our deal when discussing what they want. Btw, ask the PSA guys about how well their company follows the contract. I hear horror stories from friends. Generally speaking, I feel that this place does their very best to follow the contract, and is generally nice about it. That would be a win for several regionals.

Is this thing perfect? Will it be a seemless flip of a switch integration? Will everyone be happy? Nope, nope, nope. But it could be much much worse. Feel bad for the reserve guys who got their hopes up about 12 off starting up right away, but with how long we waited for this LOA, a couple months more isn't the end of the world.

If you really really want to complain about something, complain about the lack of open time available for January.

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Old 12-31-2017, 03:48 PM
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It's pretty awesome this is the stuff we're *****ing about on here. Man could it be worse... The PSA, envoy, and xjt forums are full of people with much bigger beefs than us. You'd think from the PSA and envoy forums that the sky is falling. I've read boards from like 5 other companies in negotiations and they're all referencing our deal when discussing what they want. Btw, ask the PSA guys about how well their company follows the contract. I hear horror stories from friends. Generally speaking, I feel that this place does their very best to follow the contract, and is generally nice about it. That would be a win for several regionals.

Is this thing perfect? Will it be a seemless flip of a switch integration? Will everyone be happy? Nope, nope, nope. But it could be much much worse. Feel bad for the reserve guys who got their hopes up about 12 off starting up right away, but with how long we waited for this LOA, a couple months more isn't the end of the world.

If you really really want to complain about something, complain about the lack of open time available for January.

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I think itís a pilot thing. Most still complain even though they have it pretty good by comparison. Check the major forums. Itís the same thing there
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