Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
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Everyone probably. The issue is that WideBody flying is not coming back for a long time. Domestic should recover once a vaccine is available. Regionals will be required to hold market share until demand returns for mainline aircraft, or mainline takes our airplanes, and mainline flies the 76 seaters.


They won’t get rid of us . They certainly are not going to pay a mainline guy 170 dollars an hour to fly the RJ 7/9’s , which is what their pay rate would be . Now granted ,that’s what we should make , LOL . But I think you are correct that out of the ashes of this thing that The name “Endeavor” and the operating certificate will be gone and it , along with us, will just fold into mainline and Delta will part ways with skyPest and Republic unfortunately will probably not survive this. There were 1400 retirements scheduled for 2020/21 and I think many more guys will early retire , especially if they offer early buy outs. So they can easily fold 1800 Endeavor pilots into the mix and just make the smallest mainline the 7’s/9’s and find some kind of middle ground on pay rates and then if it’s all mainline there is no more scope clause and they could get 90 seaters as well . So hang in there everyone . My personal opinion is we will all come out better off .or I could be wrong and we will all be flying rubber dog **** out of Hong Kong on a Convair 540.

They won’t get rid of us . They certainly are not going to pay a mainline guy 170 dollars an hour to fly the RJ 7/9’s , which is what their pay rate would be . Now granted ,that’s what we should make , LOL . But I think you are correct that out of the ashes of this thing that The name “Endeavor” and the operating certificate will be gone and it , along with us, will just fold into mainline and Delta will part ways with skyPest and Republic unfortunately will probably not survive this. There were 1400 retirements scheduled for 2020/21 and I think many more guys will early retire , especially if they offer early buy outs. So they can easily fold 1800 Endeavor pilots into the mix and just make the smallest mainline the 7’s/9’s and find some kind of middle ground on pay rates and then if it’s all mainline there is no more scope clause and they could get 90 seaters as well . So hang in there everyone . My personal opinion is we will all come out better off .or I could be wrong and we will all be flying rubber dog **** out of Hong Kong on a Convair 540.
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They won’t get rid of us . They certainly are not going to pay a mainline guy 170 dollars an hour to fly the RJ 7/9’s , which is what their pay rate would be . Now granted ,that’s what we should make , LOL . But I think you are correct that out of the ashes of this thing that The name “Endeavor” and the operating certificate will be gone and it , along with us, will just fold into mainline and Delta will part ways with skyPest and Republic unfortunately will probably not survive this. There were 1400 retirements scheduled for 2020/21 and I think many more guys will early retire , especially if they offer early buy outs. So they can easily fold 1800 Endeavor pilots into the mix and just make the smallest mainline the 7’s/9’s and find some kind of middle ground on pay rates and then if it’s all mainline there is no more scope clause and they could get 90 seaters as well . So hang in there everyone . My personal opinion is we will all come out better off .or I could be wrong and we will all be flying rubber dog **** out of Hong Kong on a Convair 540.
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They won’t get rid of us . They certainly are not going to pay a mainline guy 170 dollars an hour to fly the RJ 7/9’s , which is what their pay rate would be . Now granted ,that’s what we should make , LOL . But I think you are correct that out of the ashes of this thing that The name “Endeavor” and the operating certificate will be gone and it , along with us, will just fold into mainline and Delta will part ways with skyPest and Republic unfortunately will probably not survive this. There were 1400 retirements scheduled for 2020/21 and I think many more guys will early retire , especially if they offer early buy outs. So they can easily fold 1800 Endeavor pilots into the mix and just make the smallest mainline the 7’s/9’s and find some kind of middle ground on pay rates and then if it’s all mainline there is no more scope clause and they could get 90 seaters as well . So hang in there everyone . My personal opinion is we will all come out better off .or I could be wrong and we will all be flying rubber dog **** out of Hong Kong on a Convair 540.
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Retirements have now become irrelevant. With the capacity reductions and statements saying that they will be a smaller airline in the future retirements just became a non issue for at least a few years. In a time in which saving money is the most important thing, they are not going to take a cheaper pilot group and make them more expensive. Also SkyWest and Republic both have multi year CPAs, they aren’t going anywhere for awhile.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t bringing Endeavor in house remove the passenger ratio restriction that is in Delta’s contract. Allowing them in the near future to fill up the smaller aircraft with Delta pax that would normally be flown by the larger a/c. Seams like that could be a quick fix for now.
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