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Mesabah 04-06-2020 09:10 PM

Anything negotiated before a bankruptcy, can and will be eliminated in bankruptcy; It's a permanent reset.

The MEC can negotiate SILs for cost savings, forget about the flow, any other concessions, or loaded incentive items. Skywest even has SILs, but we can't have them because......mainline FA union issues.

Kforekyle 04-06-2020 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by Rayjay (Post 3025653)
I disagree with any concessions at this point. But, the fact that the union is using flow and career progression as leverage is criminal.

What is criminal is that a company accepts the Cares Act and all the money that goes along with it and turns around and says we have to keep your wage rate the same but we’re going cut your total hours down. What the the hell is the difference. Sure I will pay you 65 dollars an hour but I will pay you every other hour. That’s BS That was definitely not the intention of the Cares Act. I have no idea why you guys are getting on the MEC for asking for progression. If they want us to take one for the “Team” make us part of the “Team”. Period!

JulesWinfield 04-07-2020 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3025754)
Anything negotiated before a bankruptcy, can and will be eliminated in bankruptcy; It's a permanent reset.

The MEC can negotiate SILs for cost savings, forget about the flow, any other concessions, or loaded incentive items. Skywest even has SILs, but we can't have them because......mainline FA union issues.

Would be bold to take government money, push VLOA, squeeze us for hours, furlough, and then go into BK to screw us. From what I understand, it's tougher to go into BK than it was in the past.

Sakonnet 04-07-2020 03:26 AM


Originally Posted by Kforekyle (Post 3025774)
What is criminal is that a company accepts the Cares Act and all the money that goes along with it and turns around and says we have to keep your wage rate the same but we’re going cut your total hours down. What the the hell is the difference. Sure I will pay you 65 dollars an hour but I will pay you every other hour. That’s BS That was definitely not the intention of the Cares Act. I have no idea why you guys are getting on the MEC for asking for progression. If they want us to take one for the “Team” make us part of the “Team”. Period!

I completely agree and this is what bothered me the most. The fact that the bill would have provisions about not being able to alter your hourly rate but somehow the company could alter/lessen the amount of hours worked!? This is absolute garbage

As far as the MEC I appreciate them trying to stick to their guns. However, we clearly have a new issue that needs to be addressed while a prior one will not see the light of day for quite some time.

Protect our jobs
Protect our pay

PaloAlto 04-07-2020 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by Dick Burns (Post 3025648)
Yep, antagonize Delta into Comairing us. Whatever happened to the RJDC? Shut down Endeavor and have everyone enjoy Career Regression.

This isn’t even close to the RJDC

preflight 04-07-2020 06:13 AM

Aside from politics which I acknowledge...

Given the passenger loads and costs at the moment why hasn't Delta parked all of their jets opting to fly only CRJs to meet current demands?

gojo 04-07-2020 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3025754)
Anything negotiated before a bankruptcy, can and will be eliminated in bankruptcy; It's a permanent reset.

The MEC can negotiate SILs for cost savings, forget about the flow, any other concessions, or loaded incentive items. Skywest even has SILs, but we can't have them because......mainline FA union issues.

I completely agree with this thinking. And for those of you that aren’t in agreement with the current direction our MEC is going, please reach out to them this week. Remember, they work for us. I would hope that they would do a quick survey to get a grasp on what’s important to us. Maybe there’s not enough time? But yes, I too feel that career progression should be put on the back burner for now. Delta will have its own problems with progression for a while. One question I have in regards to bankruptcy since the Union brought it up in their last email. Doesn’t Delta Mainline have to file and then include Endeavor?

WhiskeyDelta 04-07-2020 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by preflight (Post 3025913)
Aside from politics which I acknowledge...



Given the passenger loads and costs at the moment why hasn't Delta parked all of their jets opting to fly only CRJs to meet current demands?



It’s because of that pesky thing called scope. As mainline aircraft are drawn down, the active in-service RJs have to go down to keep the ratios in compliance.

Also, far more cargo can be moved with mainline jets.

Rayjay 04-07-2020 06:20 AM

The union does not need to be going after flow in exchange for concessions. A flow will never happen. This is the time for the union to really shine by holding the line, and not accepting any concessions. The company is 100% unethical with asking for concessions, given the fact they received federal aid. The union needs to protect our wages and our jobs, not negotiate for flow. Anyone that thinks any differently is a fool. Imagine the union gets a flow, with the stipulation of a flow back. I'll laugh as the majority of our pilot group hits the streets. I'll be okay though, I have a plan B C and D.

piloto2 04-07-2020 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3025694)
The email was pretty clear. We shouldn't budge on concessions unless we get some sort of guarantee out of it. Mainly, that the company won't declare bankruptcy after we give up concessions.

Can you point to a time in history where a workgroup gave concessions to keep a company out of bankruptcy, and it worked?


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