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Old 09-09-2020 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
No, and the B better mean "black". Blue lives matter is forbidden.
Haven’t you heard? “Blue lives” don’t exist per DAL.
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Old 09-09-2020 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz
This is coming from above. Delta has already allowed it for their employees and is handing out pins.

“Gold Standard” Ed virtue signals about BLM but wont allow his mostly black ground crews form a union. It’s a PR move by Delta, nothing more
Same PR firm that thought that Gillette Toxic Masculinity commercial is a great idea I'm sure. Maybe these major companies should not spend millions of dollars to millennial college dropouts that call themselves professionals in PR. Go woke get broke is alive and real. Better strategy is don't alienate 3/4 of your customers, employees, and country.
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Old 09-09-2020 | 08:32 PM
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Lord have mercy wait until ASAPsafetyGoon sees these last few pages. Im sure they'll call everyone a racist.
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Old 09-10-2020 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz
This is coming from above. Delta has already allowed it for their employees and is handing out pins.

“Gold Standard” Ed virtue signals about BLM but wont allow his mostly black ground crews form a union. It’s a PR move by Delta, nothing more
AA and Alaska are already doing it.
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Old 09-10-2020 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
AA and Alaska are already doing it.
So because your competitors swan dive into an empty pool means Delta should? Good plan Eddy
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Old 09-10-2020 | 09:10 AM
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Anyone else's schedule in NYC 200 get cleared out for the rest of the month today?
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Old 09-10-2020 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Sperrysan
Airlines now supporting marxist terrorist organization? That's a bold move cotton, let see how it pays off.
First of all, did you even watch the town hall? Second. Do you work here?

He was very clear to say that they support the movement and not the organization. That no money collected as part of donations or fundraising will go to the blm organization(s).

The entire focus on the pin is showing support for the idea/concept and for the people that are and have been suffering.

Also, never was the blue lives pin or movement mentioned. Not once. That was a creation of angry Facebook users. You'd have to ask what their position is on blue lives matter, because it literally wasn't mentioned once. I would suspect that at this time a pin for them isn't authorized.

And I would like to see where you got the idea that 3/4 of Delta's customer base stands opposed to blm or for blue. That sounds like a hyperbolic overestimation based on angry internet tirades
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Old 09-10-2020 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
First of all, did you even watch the town hall? Second. Do you work here?

He was very clear to say that they support the movement and not the organization. That no money collected as part of donations or fundraising will go to the blm organization(s).

The entire focus on the pin is showing support for the idea/concept and for the people that are and have been suffering.

Also, never was the blue lives pin or movement mentioned. Not once. That was a creation of angry Facebook users. You'd have to ask what their position is on blue lives matter, because it literally wasn't mentioned once. I would suspect that at this time a pin for them isn't authorized.

And I would like to see where you got the idea that 3/4 of Delta's customer base stands opposed to blm or for blue. That sounds like a hyperbolic overestimation based on angry internet tirades
Delta/Endeavor can be as clear as they want with their employees about the movement vs/ the organization. For as hyper image conscious as Delta is, it's a bit surprising to see them taking this stance on something so polarizing. Regardless of how you feel about BLM, if you take a stand either way, you're going to upset a lot of people. Broadcasting your support for BLM the most politically expedient thing to do right now. Personally, I would stay neutral. Take an all or nothing stance about political statements in uniform, but I'm not EB or DG. I would stick to not allowing any political statements in uniform.

Delta has taken a different approach, supporting whatever is "popular" at the moment. We'll see how it pans out in the long run. I keep politics off my flight deck. As long as I am not forced to support or say anything I don't agree with on behalf of DAL/EDV and my checks still clear the bank, I'll keep flying my airplane.
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Old 09-10-2020 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Delta/Endeavor can be as clear as they want with their employees about the movement vs/ the organization. For as hyper image conscious as Delta is, it's a bit surprising to see them taking this stance on something so polarizing. Regardless of how you feel about BLM, if you take a stand either way, you're going to upset a lot of people. Broadcasting your support for BLM the most politically expedient thing to do right now. Personally, I would stay neutral. Take an all or nothing stance about political statements in uniform, but I'm not EB or DG. I would stick to not allowing any political statements in uniform.

Delta has taken a different approach, supporting whatever is "popular" at the moment. We'll see how it pans out in the long run. I keep politics off my flight deck. As long as I am not forced to support or say anything I don't agree with on behalf of DAL/EDV and my checks still clear the bank, I'll keep flying my airplane.
Now THIS is a well reasoned counter point. This is the best counter argument I've heard. And while you may take my post to mean I'm 100% in favor of the Delta/9E stance, I am actually on the fence for the reasons you mentioned. I completely agree that any political statement endorsed by the company makes it a more complicated and distracting environment. I can understand this sentiment.

However, I also believe that some causes are worth standing up for, and it's encouraging to see corporations take a stand for a cause that at it's core is about equal rights. But that's my personal opinion.

There are ways to have conversations about this stuff though where it doesn't the evolve into a left verse right boxing match. If it's a reasonable discussion discussion between two people trying to find common ground that's probably what Delta is trying to accomplish. If not, let's talk about sports..
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Old 09-10-2020 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
Now THIS is a well reasoned counter point. This is the best counter argument I've heard. And while you may take my post to mean I'm 100% in favor of the Delta/9E stance, I am actually on the fence for the reasons you mentioned. I completely agree that any political statement endorsed by the company makes it a more complicated and distracting environment. I can understand this sentiment.

However, I also believe that some causes are worth standing up for, and it's encouraging to see corporations take a stand for a cause that at it's core is about equal rights. But that's my personal opinion.

There are ways to have conversations about this stuff though where it doesn't the evolve into a left verse right boxing match. If it's a reasonable discussion discussion between two people trying to find common ground that's probably what Delta is trying to accomplish. If not, let's talk about sports..
For sure. We all stand to gain from reasonable discussion. I hope DAL/EDV know what they're doing. Customer perception and sentiment mean a lot. My check depends on people paying money to fly with us. Hopefully not too many are alienated.
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