That’s not a flow back. As far as captains go, they’ll hire street captains and people will bail from the other regionals worse off, saw it years ago with AWAC and XJT. You can believe what you want to believe, but a year ago everybody was convinced a staple was coming over the summer and well...

Pilots are already coming over, 20 a month. You can apply off the street, or wait your turn in the meantime.

It's only going to get worse. Isn't Dec historically a slow month for attrition? Well we lost the most pilots then to flow and other carriers...including MESA 🤔.

Senority list is shrinking. I know multiple pilots who were within a year of flow said nope and left for AA or UAL. Only reason to stay is because you don't meet hiring mins at other carriers or maybe you just don't want to interview again.

With the flow back provision, within the existing LOA, Delta flows all 9E Captains on Mar 1, 2022 12:00 am. One minute later, at 12:01 am they furlough all 1,000 pilots with the pilot's option to flow back to 9E. Overnight, Delta has 1,000 of its pilots on Endeavor property flying RJ's at Delta's rates and a new seniority number.

A massive win for Delta, Endeavor and it's pilots. 9E keeps its Captiains, planes flying and ability for FO's to accumulate hours and upgrade. Delta keeps it's regional passenger revenue, mainline feed and NYC slots all while squashing attrition to it's competitors all while metering actual flow to Delta. Pilots get the coveted senority number and little economic incentive to look elsewhere.

I like the flow shuffle…. But how would continued new hires work for mainline?

Traditional flow to Delta.

There's no maximum monthly number that Delta can flow. There is a 20/month minimum though, that would continue after all the furloughs are brought "back" on property.

Exactly my point. It’s not something that can be done without DALPA concurrence, and why would they agree?

Worth noting, Delta has grown the seniority list over 500 numbers this autumn. Again, the solution for reduced RJ flying is staring everybody in the face, and it’s been the one thing people have begged for for years. I don’t get it, hasn’t the dream been shrinking RJs and more mainline flying with a flow for years? Now it’s happening, people want bonuses to entice them to stay at a regional.

Yes, there is a maximum number, it’s in the flow LOA for current pilots.

They wouldn’t be able to hire any new pilots until all “furloughees” are back. Again, this is fantasy land.

Don't underestimate the need for Business to act when it needs to.

Many said the flow wasn't available to Endeavor. Delta found a way.

If the furlough shuffle prevents delta from hiring anyone off the street until everyone has flowed back to delta that won’t work.

that only kicks the rj captain staffing can a couple months down the road and meanwhile AA/ua will hoover up everyone else’s LCA’s

If DL and EDV management agree, they can flow as many as they want. That being said, flow does nothing to fix the problem. They either need a lot of cash or a method to get seniority numbers to EDV pilots, short of that the attrition will continue, and planes will be parked.