Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
02-10-2016 | 08:18 AM
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Take what I am saying with a grain of salt, as I do not work for 9E. Just based on what I am reading, and what I get via PMs...
Movement is faster for pretty much ALL regionals today vs. a year or six months ago. And when you add that extra movement to the fact that there were large hiring gaps, it is easy to jump 6-18 months during a bid period. If you look back a few pages in this thread (no need to read it all, just look for a seniority list post), you will see those same gaps at Endeavor.
What will your upgrade be if hired today? Well, bear in mind no one can accurately answer that, and things change a LOT in regards to that, but I'd wager you could expect not much more than two years to upgrade, then two years to hold CA before you are eligible for your DGI. Say another year in the "pool", and you could feasibly be at Delta (pending a successful interview) in 5-6 years. At the rate things are going today.
Movement is faster for pretty much ALL regionals today vs. a year or six months ago. And when you add that extra movement to the fact that there were large hiring gaps, it is easy to jump 6-18 months during a bid period. If you look back a few pages in this thread (no need to read it all, just look for a seniority list post), you will see those same gaps at Endeavor.
What will your upgrade be if hired today? Well, bear in mind no one can accurately answer that, and things change a LOT in regards to that, but I'd wager you could expect not much more than two years to upgrade, then two years to hold CA before you are eligible for your DGI. Say another year in the "pool", and you could feasibly be at Delta (pending a successful interview) in 5-6 years. At the rate things are going today.
Only 6 months ago I was reading in this thread about 9E FOs with 8+ years still waiting to upgrade. So, how is it possible that it's down to 2 years in such a short time? Not calling anyone liars or trying to start flame-throwing ... I just would like a clear picture of what a reasonable expectation of upgrade might be for a new hire? I'm not in a huge hurry. 3 to 5 years would be nice. 8+, probably not.
02-10-2016 | 08:53 AM
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Only 6 months ago I was reading in this thread about 9E FOs with 8+ years still waiting to upgrade. So, how is it possible that it's down to 2 years in such a short time? Not calling anyone liars or trying to start flame-throwing ... I just would like a clear picture of what a reasonable expectation of upgrade might be for a new hire? I'm not in a huge hurry. 3 to 5 years would be nice. 8+, probably not.
02-10-2016 | 08:58 AM
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Only 6 months ago I was reading in this thread about 9E FOs with 8+ years still waiting to upgrade. So, how is it possible that it's down to 2 years in such a short time? Not calling anyone liars or trying to start flame-throwing ... I just would like a clear picture of what a reasonable expectation of upgrade might be for a new hire? I'm not in a huge hurry. 3 to 5 years would be nice. 8+, probably not.
Many FO's got royally screwed in the seniority list integration, making them 8 year FO's.
There were several years of not hiring any new hires which stagnated everything. The aggressive hiring of new hires plus CA movement to majors etc should in theory speed up upgrade.
This in no way implies that you will upgrade in 2-3 years.
02-10-2016 | 09:33 AM
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Yes, if they wanted too they could hold upgrade. Might not be in their base of choice. The part of the list we are at is Dec 2007 Mesaba and March 2008 Colgan. All legacy 9e pilots are senior to this area. Of course I might have missed something being screwed up by bloch award but it looks like they still have had the chance.
02-10-2016 | 10:20 AM
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Yes, if they wanted too they could hold upgrade. Might not be in their base of choice. The part of the list we are at is Dec 2007 Mesaba and March 2008 Colgan. All legacy 9e pilots are senior to this area. Of course I might have missed something being screwed up by bloch award but it looks like they still have had the chance.
02-10-2016 | 10:23 AM
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AQP is now in place for initial, recurrent, and upgrade. Differences is the last piece and it will be happening very shortly. Either way, the training department will do all we can to make it a low stress learning process. Not saying it's easy, but surprises aren't in the routine, it's all clearly explained, and trained, prior to any jeopardy event. Don't worry, just have a positive attitude with the needed effort of learning and all will be well.
Nobody gets satisfaction in failing someone. If nothing else, the paperwork sucks. So it's avoided, unless it's needed. It happens, but it's rare and normally a result of attitude to not study the things required. It's not rocket science and a much "simpler" process from when I started where you needed to "build the plane". You will be trained on how everything works, and will be checked on what you can control from the flight deck. Everything is laid out with all resources available to learn. Bring a good attitude and a desire to learn and all will be well. Basic instrument skills will be helpful though...
Nobody gets satisfaction in failing someone. If nothing else, the paperwork sucks. So it's avoided, unless it's needed. It happens, but it's rare and normally a result of attitude to not study the things required. It's not rocket science and a much "simpler" process from when I started where you needed to "build the plane". You will be trained on how everything works, and will be checked on what you can control from the flight deck. Everything is laid out with all resources available to learn. Bring a good attitude and a desire to learn and all will be well. Basic instrument skills will be helpful though...
I was under the impression AQP was not live yet for upgrades. Did this change in the last week or so?
02-10-2016 | 10:27 AM
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02-10-2016 | 10:46 AM
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My $1.50
Many FO's got royally screwed in the seniority list integration, making them 8 year FO's.
There were several years of not hiring any new hires which stagnated everything. The aggressive hiring of new hires plus CA movement to majors etc should in theory speed up upgrade.
This in no way implies that you will upgrade in 2-3 years.
Many FO's got royally screwed in the seniority list integration, making them 8 year FO's.
There were several years of not hiring any new hires which stagnated everything. The aggressive hiring of new hires plus CA movement to majors etc should in theory speed up upgrade.
This in no way implies that you will upgrade in 2-3 years.
I heard everyone will be at Delters by then!
02-10-2016 | 10:47 AM
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The conventional wisdom behind a CVG base would be that it is a big mx base and we overnight a bunch of airplanes there for overnight work. In order to get those A/C back in revenue service ASAP, we also overnight a lot of crews in CVG. At one point I heard a number as high as 80 hotel rooms per night (~20 crews). Not sure how accurate that is but in theory a base there would reduce (not eliminate) hotel expenses there. All of our legacy blood lines have utilized this strategy at one time but it should be noted that none of those bases persist.
On a related note, unless you don't mind commuting, history suggests it would be ill advised to buy a house at a brand new base.
02-10-2016 | 10:50 AM
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The conventional wisdom behind a CVG base would be that it is a big mx base and we overnight a bunch of airplanes there for overnight work. In order to get those A/C back in revenue service ASAP, we also overnight a lot of crews in CVG. At one point I heard a number as high as 80 hotel rooms per night (~20 crews). Not sure how accurate that is but in theory a base there would reduce (not eliminate) hotel expenses there. All of our legacy blood lines have utilized this strategy at one time but it should be noted that none of those bases persist.
On a related note, unless you don't mind commuting, history suggests it would be ill advised to buy a house at a brand new base.
On a related note, unless you don't mind commuting, history suggests it would be ill advised to buy a house at a brand new base.
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