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Old 02-23-2016 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by peepz
Lol... every regionals history sucks.
Right on. For the life of me, I can't seem to understand why people still haven't grasped the concept that regional airlines are a nifty scam/racket created by mainline airlines back in the day for the sole purpose of lowering labor costs, which were the number one cost item for airlines before oil prices skyrocketed. The scam was purposely designed to take advantage of low time pilots and cabin crew who were lured into accepting crappy wages and an even crappier QOL with the understanding that they needed to make that sacrifice in order to move on to better remuneration & equipment once they did their time and "paid their dues".

As much as I despise the 750-1500 hr ATP rule that our honorable members of the circus called Congress enacted into law as it didn't really emphasize quality training as opposed to a random number of hours, I have to admit that it is finally starting to raise wages and rest periods, which was the other issue needed to be addressed following the Colgan crash.

The scam is up and I'm sure that regional airlines will eventually go away as they will be unable to recruit newbies who are willing to accept the horrendous ROI for their incurred training costs. Regional airlines may try to delay their demise by coming up with cadet schemes subsidized by their mainline partners, but in the end even that won't be enough to lure potential recruits. Mainlines might as well give it up now and accept the fact that they will have to start ponying up some of their record profits into assuring a steady pipeline of trained recruits and decent wages, just like successful airlines everywhere else around the world already do.

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Old 02-23-2016 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DreFlyer
Right on. For the life of me, I can't seem to understand why people still haven't grasped the concept that regional airlines are a nifty scam/racket created by mainline airlines back in the day for the sole purpose of lowering labor costs, which were the number one cost item for airlines before oil prices skyrocketed. The scam was purposely designed to take advantage of low time pilots and cabin crew who were lured into accepting crappy wages and an even crappier QOL with the understanding that they needed to make that sacrifice in order to move on to better remuneration & equipment once they did their time and "paid their dues".

As much as I despise the 750-1500 hr ATP rule that our honorable members of the circus called Congress enacted into law as it didn't really emphasize quality training as opposed to a random number of hours, I have to admit that it is finally starting to raise wages and rest periods, which was the other issue needed to be addressed following the Colgan crash.

The scam is up and I'm sure that regional airlines will eventually go away as they will be unable to recruit newbies who are unwilling to accept the horrendous ROI for their incurred training costs. Regional airlines may try to delay their demise by coming up with cadet schemes subsidized by their mainline partners, but in the end even that won't be enough to lure potential recruits. Mainlines might as well give it up now and accept the fact that they will have to start ponying up some of their record profits into assuring a steady pipeline of trained recruits and decent wages, just like successful airlines everywhere else around the world already do.
As long as there are pilots willing to fly regional aircraft and the mainline partners profit from it, the regional airlines will exist. Take either away from the equation and they will go away. The reality is that even with record first officer pay and retention bonuses, the cost is no where near what it would cost under current mainline contracts. Hence the continued existence of regional airlines. Has a single regional even declared bankruptcy yet due to the pilot shortage? I see mergers and aircraft agreements being looked at but we are far from a collapse. Let the Ponzi Scheme continue so that the top can get rich and maybe a few at the bottom can someday make it to the top!
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Old 02-23-2016 | 07:00 PM
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Default crashpad: JFK vs. DTW

Is there a good resource for researching / comparing crashpads at JFK vs. DTW?

What is the $ range for own bed (NO hot rack please) at JFK vs. DTW?
What about own room?

If anyone has commuted to both for reserve, do you find it costing much more to "live" in JFK vs. DTW, during your days on?
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Old 02-23-2016 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nsky
Is there a good resource for researching / comparing crashpads at JFK vs. DTW?

What is the $ range for own bed (NO hot rack please) at JFK vs. DTW?
What about own room?

If anyone has commuted to both for reserve, do you find it costing much more to "live" in JFK vs. DTW, during your days on?
I would try the endeavor pilot forums. I can't remember the exact name of the website but if no one else chimes in I can do some digging and find out. DTW is a good base because it has lots of cheap hotels, which is something you won't really find in NYC. There may also be some guys on here that own a crashpad also.
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Old 02-23-2016 | 08:34 PM
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Endeavorpilots.com. Gotta be on the seniority list to register.
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Old 02-23-2016 | 10:42 PM
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Thx seminolepilot & higney85

I am outside looking in, not on the list yet.
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Old 02-24-2016 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Nsky
Thx seminolepilot & higney85

I am outside looking in, not on the list yet.
Where are you commuting from? LGA usually has more domestic flights than JFK depending on where you live, so could be a better option to use. All my classmates who commute from NYC use LGA.
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Old 02-24-2016 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911
What would the commute be like from SEA to MSP?

What is a realistic first year pay number? I know 50k is the minimum.
Commute would be fine.

Most of our West Coast guys chose NYC thought for an easier commute/more frequency.

Realistic pay first year all in with perdiem at 85-90 hours is 60k.
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Old 02-24-2016 | 03:09 PM
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Ok FYI everybody, word around the schoolhouse and at standards meeting is that manual currency is becoming an issue. I'm sure nobody needs to explain the importance of keeping manuals up to date, but...

If you're coming to a training event, especially upgrade, run through the LEP for the CFM and FOM to make sure you have the right stuff in there. Apparently there have been issues with revisions missing pages or being printed incorrectly. Go through it with a fine tooth comb. If you're missing something, contact your base manager to get it. Won't be a big deal, but might take some time so plan ahead.

OE IS a training event so you are required to carry BOTH manuals for OE, not just the one you would normal carry for your seat.

I would not be surprised to see more random checks and audits so do yourself a favor and check your stuff.
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Old 02-24-2016 | 06:40 PM
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Does endeavor highly frown upon canceling a class date? I have one scheduled, but may be canceling it to take another job offer.
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