Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
08-21-2016 | 08:55 PM
#6241
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I think it's a culture thing with some people. Unfortunately a few haven't realized that we're living in the age where the FO does more than just sit there and be quiet.
08-22-2016 | 04:05 AM
#6242
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Lolwut?
I get that DCI pilots work hard and most are great pilots and employees etc.
I've never seen a negative attitude towards a DCI jumpseater and have indeed seen DL crews go out of their way to accommodate them (as it should be). I have seen some DCI jumpers act waaaaaaay too casual about it, dressed waaaaaaaay under our already generous standards and flashing an ID saying "I'll be jumpseating up here I guess" etc but have still been allowed on, even in cases where the (already liberal) rules say they shouldn't have been.
That's the exception, of course, as most DCI jumpseaters are professional and courteous and get the big picture. Are there some mainline crews that are jerks? Sure, and I can guarantee you there are the same types at DCI and everywhere.
That said, DCI is not DAL. I'm against management being able to use DCI as a shell company regardless of WO status or not, and wish we were all on one list with one CBA (although 100% staple or it never happens) that said, you have zero to gain from expecting to be a DL employee in full while at DCI or any other WO or sub.
As a pilot, if you're not on the DAL pilot seniority list and covered under the DAL pilot PWA scope section, you don't work at DAL. Period. Thinking otherwise is just toxic. Just ask ASA, Compass and Comair, or for that matter DGS or the old Comair Aviation Academy. Its irrelevant. If you want to work for DL, apply and work for DL, because currently you don't; Delta being included in the Delta Connection portion of the logo on your badge means nothing.
I get that DCI pilots work hard and most are great pilots and employees etc.
I've never seen a negative attitude towards a DCI jumpseater and have indeed seen DL crews go out of their way to accommodate them (as it should be). I have seen some DCI jumpers act waaaaaaay too casual about it, dressed waaaaaaaay under our already generous standards and flashing an ID saying "I'll be jumpseating up here I guess" etc but have still been allowed on, even in cases where the (already liberal) rules say they shouldn't have been.
That's the exception, of course, as most DCI jumpseaters are professional and courteous and get the big picture. Are there some mainline crews that are jerks? Sure, and I can guarantee you there are the same types at DCI and everywhere.
That said, DCI is not DAL. I'm against management being able to use DCI as a shell company regardless of WO status or not, and wish we were all on one list with one CBA (although 100% staple or it never happens) that said, you have zero to gain from expecting to be a DL employee in full while at DCI or any other WO or sub.
As a pilot, if you're not on the DAL pilot seniority list and covered under the DAL pilot PWA scope section, you don't work at DAL. Period. Thinking otherwise is just toxic. Just ask ASA, Compass and Comair, or for that matter DGS or the old Comair Aviation Academy. Its irrelevant. If you want to work for DL, apply and work for DL, because currently you don't; Delta being included in the Delta Connection portion of the logo on your badge means nothing.
As far as negative attitudes I have seen it in full uniform. I am sure it must be my fault somehow. I ALWAYS make sure I use a Navy like term, "permission to come aboard sir" to ask NOT to expect, but still get the negative or condescending attitude. As you say though thankfully it isn't the majority.
Here is one for you. Name me any DCI or other mainline jumpseator that has mentioned to a DAL captain how to operate his cockpit without his/her asking. They might even get asked to leave if they did. I doubt any jumpseator would but it has happened to me ONLY from a DAL jumpseator.
I can assure you I would never even think to tell another captain how to.
I guess from the highly desired and huge difficulty to achieve a mainline job and especially at DAL has created these condescending attitudes that I witness mostly from DAL pilots. Don't care to have any special treatment except to be more cordial as I try my best to regardless.
08-22-2016 | 04:19 AM
#6243
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From what was told (incinuated) to us a few months ago in recurrent a person on min guarantee could expect a loss. The pay would be equivalent for someone crediting 85ish hrs - at least on the FO side.
If you are an open time guru it will be a big raise.
If you are an open time guru it will be a big raise.
08-22-2016 | 05:50 AM
#6248
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So you're saying I would have to pick up an additional 8 hours@150% per month above guarantee to get back to where I am now. I don't think that's going to go over very well !
08-22-2016 | 06:17 AM
#6249
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Lolwut?
I get that DCI pilots work hard and most are great pilots and employees etc.
I've never seen a negative attitude towards a DCI jumpseater and have indeed seen DL crews go out of their way to accommodate them (as it should be). I have seen some DCI jumpers act waaaaaaay too casual about it, dressed waaaaaaaay under our already generous standards and flashing an ID saying "I'll be jumpseating up here I guess" etc but have still been allowed on, even in cases where the (already liberal) rules say they shouldn't have been.
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I get that DCI pilots work hard and most are great pilots and employees etc.
I've never seen a negative attitude towards a DCI jumpseater and have indeed seen DL crews go out of their way to accommodate them (as it should be). I have seen some DCI jumpers act waaaaaaay too casual about it, dressed waaaaaaaay under our already generous standards and flashing an ID saying "I'll be jumpseating up here I guess" etc but have still been allowed on, even in cases where the (already liberal) rules say they shouldn't have been.
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08-22-2016 | 06:22 AM
#6250
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