Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
09-12-2016 | 07:53 PM
#6601
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Why have we not put in to be single carrier? It was brought to my attention that the current DL contract has CRJ pay rates in it. Everything says we are a single carrier operator and there would be no arbitrator that would deny it.
09-13-2016 | 04:07 AM
#6602
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The MEC at envoy sent an email to pilots yesterday telling them that AAG management will propose a package of compensation and flow improvements to them.
If the proposed improvements make envoy a more attractive/lucrative carrier to the applicants we want, how do you think Endeavor/Delta management will respond if at all?
September 12, 2016
Fellow Envoy Pilots,
After months of advocating for improved economics for all Envoy pilots, I’m pleased to report that tomorrow we expect to receive a draft proposal from management that would raise the compensation bar for both Captains and First Officers. Throughout the upcoming hours and days, the MEC will engage with management to flesh out the details and bring forward the best package possible.
The timing for this is excellent, as AAG has asked Envoy to send up to 40 flows a month starting early next year, a number well above our current meter of 30 per month. However, exceeding the meter will only be feasible if hiring is robust. I do not believe this is outside the realm of possibility. By combining our industry leading flow-through, the enhanced pilot compensation, and coupling the QOL improvements that the MEC continues to push for; these necessary steps will reinforce the belief that new hires will find working for Envoy the best possible career choice.
The pilots of Envoy have proven capable of getting the job done, and your MEC leaders have led the charge – both public and private – to ensure you are rewarded for your efforts.
We will transmit more details as they become available.
Fraternally,
If the proposed improvements make envoy a more attractive/lucrative carrier to the applicants we want, how do you think Endeavor/Delta management will respond if at all?
September 12, 2016
Fellow Envoy Pilots,
After months of advocating for improved economics for all Envoy pilots, I’m pleased to report that tomorrow we expect to receive a draft proposal from management that would raise the compensation bar for both Captains and First Officers. Throughout the upcoming hours and days, the MEC will engage with management to flesh out the details and bring forward the best package possible.
The timing for this is excellent, as AAG has asked Envoy to send up to 40 flows a month starting early next year, a number well above our current meter of 30 per month. However, exceeding the meter will only be feasible if hiring is robust. I do not believe this is outside the realm of possibility. By combining our industry leading flow-through, the enhanced pilot compensation, and coupling the QOL improvements that the MEC continues to push for; these necessary steps will reinforce the belief that new hires will find working for Envoy the best possible career choice.
The pilots of Envoy have proven capable of getting the job done, and your MEC leaders have led the charge – both public and private – to ensure you are rewarded for your efforts.
We will transmit more details as they become available.
Fraternally,
09-13-2016 | 05:45 AM
#6603
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If you want to ask your rep they can dig up edv communications from a couple years back and it explained it fairly thoroughly. In fact the msp fo rep probably can still explain to you why we can't from memory, he's remarkably bright with that sorta stuff.
There's not going to be a single carrier unless delta wants it. The rj rates are in the delta book so that if the company violates the scope again (too many rjs) the pilots have leverage on delta for the arbitration.
Theres a couple single carrier truthers out there that riled everyone up about this, they are wrong and facts dont change their mind. If they are trying to convert more people over to the cause, run away.
09-13-2016 | 06:20 AM
#6604
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From: the big one
The MEC at envoy sent an email to pilots yesterday telling them that AAG management will propose a package of compensation and flow improvements to them.
If the proposed improvements make envoy a more attractive/lucrative carrier to the applicants we want, how do you think Endeavor/Delta management will respond if at all?
September 12, 2016
Fellow Envoy Pilots,
After months of advocating for improved economics for all Envoy pilots, I’m pleased to report that tomorrow we expect to receive a draft proposal from management that would raise the compensation bar for both Captains and First Officers. Throughout the upcoming hours and days, the MEC will engage with management to flesh out the details and bring forward the best package possible.
The timing for this is excellent, as AAG has asked Envoy to send up to 40 flows a month starting early next year, a number well above our current meter of 30 per month. However, exceeding the meter will only be feasible if hiring is robust. I do not believe this is outside the realm of possibility. By combining our industry leading flow-through, the enhanced pilot compensation, and coupling the QOL improvements that the MEC continues to push for; these necessary steps will reinforce the belief that new hires will find working for Envoy the best possible career choice.
The pilots of Envoy have proven capable of getting the job done, and your MEC leaders have led the charge – both public and private – to ensure you are rewarded for your efforts.
We will transmit more details as they become available.
Fraternally,
If the proposed improvements make envoy a more attractive/lucrative carrier to the applicants we want, how do you think Endeavor/Delta management will respond if at all?
September 12, 2016
Fellow Envoy Pilots,
After months of advocating for improved economics for all Envoy pilots, I’m pleased to report that tomorrow we expect to receive a draft proposal from management that would raise the compensation bar for both Captains and First Officers. Throughout the upcoming hours and days, the MEC will engage with management to flesh out the details and bring forward the best package possible.
The timing for this is excellent, as AAG has asked Envoy to send up to 40 flows a month starting early next year, a number well above our current meter of 30 per month. However, exceeding the meter will only be feasible if hiring is robust. I do not believe this is outside the realm of possibility. By combining our industry leading flow-through, the enhanced pilot compensation, and coupling the QOL improvements that the MEC continues to push for; these necessary steps will reinforce the belief that new hires will find working for Envoy the best possible career choice.
The pilots of Envoy have proven capable of getting the job done, and your MEC leaders have led the charge – both public and private – to ensure you are rewarded for your efforts.
We will transmit more details as they become available.
Fraternally,
Delta will NEVER offer a flow they have said over and over. They are trying to roll out bonus into a pay rate to save money! The guys on rsv would lose the most amount of money flying 75 hours a month.
Last edited by stillcantfly; 09-13-2016 at 06:36 AM.
09-13-2016 | 06:44 AM
#6605
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Exactly.
You mentioned the C-Series (100% mainline aircraft, period) arrival coincident with a new CBA. Maybe you meant yours? I assumed you meant the DL PWA because there is a current effort by management to tie its arrival to more large RJ's at DCI. But the plane is coming regardless, and I don't see DALPA allowing 50 more 76ers...and I really don't see that getting past MEMRAT anyway.
We're always in or near contract negotiations, and there's always a new aircraft type on the horizon. The concept that DALPA needs to make scope deals to get the planes the company wants and is going to get anyway is just dumb.
You mentioned the C-Series (100% mainline aircraft, period) arrival coincident with a new CBA. Maybe you meant yours? I assumed you meant the DL PWA because there is a current effort by management to tie its arrival to more large RJ's at DCI. But the plane is coming regardless, and I don't see DALPA allowing 50 more 76ers...and I really don't see that getting past MEMRAT anyway.
We're always in or near contract negotiations, and there's always a new aircraft type on the horizon. The concept that DALPA needs to make scope deals to get the planes the company wants and is going to get anyway is just dumb.
09-13-2016 | 06:51 AM
#6606
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From: Port of Indecision and Southwest of Disorder
The MEC at envoy sent an email to pilots yesterday telling them that AAG management will propose a package of compensation and flow improvements to them.
If the proposed improvements make envoy a more attractive/lucrative carrier to the applicants we want, how do you think Endeavor/Delta management will respond if at all?
September 12, 2016
Fellow Envoy Pilots,
After months of advocating for improved economics for all Envoy pilots, I’m pleased to report that tomorrow we expect to receive a draft proposal from management that would raise the compensation bar for both Captains and First Officers. Throughout the upcoming hours and days, the MEC will engage with management to flesh out the details and bring forward the best package possible.
The timing for this is excellent, as AAG has asked Envoy to send up to 40 flows a month starting early next year, a number well above our current meter of 30 per month. However, exceeding the meter will only be feasible if hiring is robust. I do not believe this is outside the realm of possibility. By combining our industry leading flow-through, the enhanced pilot compensation, and coupling the QOL improvements that the MEC continues to push for; these necessary steps will reinforce the belief that new hires will find working for Envoy the best possible career choice.
The pilots of Envoy have proven capable of getting the job done, and your MEC leaders have led the charge – both public and private – to ensure you are rewarded for your efforts.
We will transmit more details as they become available.
Fraternally,
If the proposed improvements make envoy a more attractive/lucrative carrier to the applicants we want, how do you think Endeavor/Delta management will respond if at all?
September 12, 2016
Fellow Envoy Pilots,
After months of advocating for improved economics for all Envoy pilots, I’m pleased to report that tomorrow we expect to receive a draft proposal from management that would raise the compensation bar for both Captains and First Officers. Throughout the upcoming hours and days, the MEC will engage with management to flesh out the details and bring forward the best package possible.
The timing for this is excellent, as AAG has asked Envoy to send up to 40 flows a month starting early next year, a number well above our current meter of 30 per month. However, exceeding the meter will only be feasible if hiring is robust. I do not believe this is outside the realm of possibility. By combining our industry leading flow-through, the enhanced pilot compensation, and coupling the QOL improvements that the MEC continues to push for; these necessary steps will reinforce the belief that new hires will find working for Envoy the best possible career choice.
The pilots of Envoy have proven capable of getting the job done, and your MEC leaders have led the charge – both public and private – to ensure you are rewarded for your efforts.
We will transmit more details as they become available.
Fraternally,
09-13-2016 | 07:12 AM
#6609
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From: the big one
If this pay and benefits package rivals Endeavor I would have to think Delta will have to increase the retention payments again to attract new hires. If Envoy offers a realistic flow and industry leading pay/bonuses it will be hard for new hires to pass up. Couple that with most of our flying being based in NYC and it's a tough sell but in the end money talks.
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