Originally Posted by ebuhoner

Been at 9E for 5 months. I have to admit that envoy got my attention and I gave it some thought and discussed it with my family. After a couple of days we just came to the conclusion that its better to stay put. Slightly better pay and specially the flow was very tempting, but not enough to make a lateral move for me. I like it here at 9E a lot and I think this is a great company to work for... I also hope they work on something in the next few months to keep atracting new hires and keep me motivated to work here. I personally think Delta should give the flow a second thought.

If I was still a cfi Today not knowing much about work rules and looking for a job today, envoy or psa would probably be my top 2 choices.... Flow beats interview and 58k beats 50k a year. Plain and simple.

I dont know how the QOL is at envoy or psa, but based on these forums, is not very good. That is a big plus for 9E, which I think has excellent work rules except for reserve (Which I didnt really care cause only did it for 1 month)... On October I have over 20 days off and weekends off as a line holder. That is hard to beat, specially if I have been here only 5 months.

Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28

I have called CS a few times when I think this is happening and here is what I have found out. For P2 and P3 RR shifts, I was informed that you must be overnight-able. So perhaps, those junior to you only have one day remaining on their reserve block and cannot be assigned RR for the above reserve periods. Second case was the junior reserve pilot was not contactable the day prior and they stick you with the RR shift and leave the junior pilot on home reserve. Another; more questionable scenario I was given is as follows. A junior reserve pilot was given an assignment( I choose last out as a preference) and I was then assigned RR due to pecking order. For whatever reason the once given assignment was removed and that pilot was placed back on home reserve even though I was still showing P1 RR. Scheduling said that is just a bad break and they couldn't change it for whatever technical/contractual reasons.

Originally Posted by SmitteyB

I'm not going to try and convince you to stay, but I know many NYC based guys and gals who commute from DFW. It's not a difficult commute.

If you would be happier at Envoy, then absolutely leave. You don't have to answer to anyone but your own family. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Avroman

Nowhere in the contract does it allow them to skip a P2 (P3 was allowed in an LOA) because they are not overnightable. Some how this has just become scheduling's policy with nothing to back it up.
As for the last scenario, yea it's b.s. once given an assignment (RR is considered a trip) they won't just remove it.. it only gets removed if it benefits them or there is something overriding in the contract (a lineholder picking up for open time that was processed after reserve assignments for example)

Originally Posted by WMUFlyboy1

3 classes in September so it's about on track.

Originally Posted by 4myfamily

Even at 3 classes times 14 that is only 42 which is short of 50-60 a month. More important question is did we have any no shows and if so why? The next few classes will be an indication if AA increase for the WOs is impacting our ability to hire. The bidding war is far from over in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Outof410

To add on what you said. I am a 135 guy with a class date at Endeavor early next month. I also have a offer at Piedmont. I (sorta) live between NYC and PHL.

So where does that leave me? As of now I am 100% for Endeavor. Mostly because Piedmont didn't take the same offer as the other ones. If they did, I would really have to think about it. Although it won't be a issue if they don't take it in time because once I am in school for Endeavor I would not leave.

Originally Posted by JesuitValen

If we can't get enough guys delta will sweeten the pot. Promise.

We all want you to come but we all want more money. If you choose piedmont anyway no hard feelings but 14 a class is low. Probably too low if it continues. Lets face it, envoy is better deal with better pay for a while and that makes us second on some new hire lists.