Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
09-20-2016, 04:33 AM
#6871
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
I'm not going to try and convince you to stay, but I know many NYC based guys and gals who commute from DFW. It's not a difficult commute.
If you would be happier at Envoy, then absolutely leave. You don't have to answer to anyone but your own family. Good luck.
If you would be happier at Envoy, then absolutely leave. You don't have to answer to anyone but your own family. Good luck.
09-20-2016, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Nowhere in the contract does it allow them to skip a P2 (P3 was allowed in an LOA) because they are not overnightable. Some how this has just become scheduling's policy with nothing to back it up.
As for the last scenario, yea it's b.s. once given an assignment (RR is considered a trip) they won't just remove it.. it only gets removed if it benefits them or there is something overriding in the contract (a lineholder picking up for open time that was processed after reserve assignments for example)
As for the last scenario, yea it's b.s. once given an assignment (RR is considered a trip) they won't just remove it.. it only gets removed if it benefits them or there is something overriding in the contract (a lineholder picking up for open time that was processed after reserve assignments for example)
If any endeavor FOs are listening who do this, just stop. Reserve has enough problems without you begging scheduling to use you out of order.
09-20-2016, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by WMUFlyboy1
3 classes in September so it's about on track.
09-20-2016, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 4myfamily
Even at 3 classes times 14 that is only 42 which is short of 50-60 a month. More important question is did we have any no shows and if so why? The next few classes will be an indication if AA increase for the WOs is impacting our ability to hire. The bidding war is far from over in my opinion.
So where does that leave me? As of now I am 100% for Endeavor. Mostly because Piedmont didn't take the same offer as the other ones. If they did, I would really have to think about it. Although it won't be a issue if they don't take it in time because once I am in school for Endeavor I would not leave.
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09-20-2016, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Outof410
To add on what you said. I am a 135 guy with a class date at Endeavor early next month. I also have a offer at Piedmont. I (sorta) live between NYC and PHL.
So where does that leave me? As of now I am 100% for Endeavor. Mostly because Piedmont didn't take the same offer as the other ones. If they did, I would really have to think about it. Although it won't be a issue if they don't take it in time because once I am in school for Endeavor I would not leave.
So where does that leave me? As of now I am 100% for Endeavor. Mostly because Piedmont didn't take the same offer as the other ones. If they did, I would really have to think about it. Although it won't be a issue if they don't take it in time because once I am in school for Endeavor I would not leave.
We all want you to come but we all want more money. If you choose piedmont anyway no hard feelings but 14 a class is low. Probably too low if it continues. Lets face it, envoy is better deal with better pay for a while and that makes us second on some new hire lists.
09-20-2016, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JesuitValen
If we can't get enough guys delta will sweeten the pot. Promise.
We all want you to come but we all want more money. If you choose piedmont anyway no hard feelings but 14 a class is low. Probably too low if it continues. Lets face it, envoy is better deal with better pay for a while and that makes us second on some new hire lists.
We all want you to come but we all want more money. If you choose piedmont anyway no hard feelings but 14 a class is low. Probably too low if it continues. Lets face it, envoy is better deal with better pay for a while and that makes us second on some new hire lists.
Hopefully we have a big class! See you guys soon!
09-20-2016, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JesuitValen
If we can't get enough guys delta will sweeten the pot. Promise.
We all want you to come but we all want more money. If you choose piedmont anyway no hard feelings but 14 a class is low. Probably too low if it continues. Lets face it, envoy is better deal with better pay for a while and that makes us second on some new hire lists.
We all want you to come but we all want more money. If you choose piedmont anyway no hard feelings but 14 a class is low. Probably too low if it continues. Lets face it, envoy is better deal with better pay for a while and that makes us second on some new hire lists.
09-20-2016, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I am not seeing how the Envoy deal is better - the numbers don't add up. Adding in upgrade time it isn't even close. What numbers are you looking at? Depends on how much value you put on the flow I guess. Without a number walking in the door I wouldn't put much value on it. The EtD deal might of had more value than the American flow at Envoy and that failed.
09-20-2016, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I am not seeing how the Envoy deal is better - the numbers don't add up. Adding in upgrade time it isn't even close. What numbers are you looking at? Depends on how much value you put on the flow I guess. Without a number walking in the door I wouldn't put much value on it. The EtD deal might of had more value than the American flow at Envoy and that failed.
Theres a lot of criticism about flows, i personally have none butsome flows are better than others. Flows are real, even if you dont "believe in them", the terms shape a flow and no one is pretending to be expert enough on them to judge one against another. The new hire really determines the worth and thats a little counterintuative.
The EtD had 22 pilots worth of value in 6months 8 are still here. Idk man, if the EtD brought any value it wouldn't have been trashed.
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