Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
09-24-2016, 03:57 PM
#6941
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 106
What's up vanilla faces?!? Just got done with OE at the big D so I thought I'd check in to see what's new. First thing I did tho, was to see what the latest was with 9E straight from the source. Well, I've talked to a BUNCH of management and check pilots/instructors and the general consensus was a big N-O to flow or stapling. They says they wasn't too impressed by some they've received or interviewed thru SSP and while I said that was a very small tiny minority, obviously what I say to them means squat. Anyway, with American upping their game (finally) I went back and inquired again. Nothing new tho. Delta ain't gonna do it until they absolutely have to. That's just the way it is here.
09-24-2016, 04:42 PM
#6942
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 149
Don't we need to be careful converting the bonus to pay rates? It won't be equal across the board, especially for guys on rsv. We could change the payout structure and even make it a monthly payout that's completely separate. Food for thought.
Rsv rules need to be improved and add a day off.
Flica and the high rsv threshold and the inability to drop or swap.
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Rsv rules need to be improved and add a day off.
Flica and the high rsv threshold and the inability to drop or swap.
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09-24-2016, 04:44 PM
#6943
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: FIRE ALPA
Posts: 3,082
Originally Posted by JesuitValen View Post
Welcome to the airlines, and to delta. They say one thing, like we need 60 a month, we hire 40-50 a month, let go of 8 in training, another 6-10 each month are military so they are gone in 6 months. So we are really getting 20 something a month and apparently that's good enough.
Remember in 2014 #3 corporate goal was cheapest DCI. When that nearly shut down the company they paid us more and erased that for 2015.
Look, at Endeavor, everything is flexible, except we can't shut down. We've never hit our advertised hiring goal and the company still hasn't budged from the 3k hiring bonus. That may mean Delta/Endeavor identified the bonus expiration as the problem. More likely, since the gojets and republic aircraft never came we never needed it.
They'll grow us until they shrink us, they'll give us more airplanes like 50 seaters so we're ready to turn them all in for a different type and spool up quickly. We're expensive pawns. Enjoy it.
Hey! I thought that was my gig. Have I been too positive lately?
Welcome to the airlines, and to delta. They say one thing, like we need 60 a month, we hire 40-50 a month, let go of 8 in training, another 6-10 each month are military so they are gone in 6 months. So we are really getting 20 something a month and apparently that's good enough.
Remember in 2014 #3 corporate goal was cheapest DCI. When that nearly shut down the company they paid us more and erased that for 2015.
Look, at Endeavor, everything is flexible, except we can't shut down. We've never hit our advertised hiring goal and the company still hasn't budged from the 3k hiring bonus. That may mean Delta/Endeavor identified the bonus expiration as the problem. More likely, since the gojets and republic aircraft never came we never needed it.
They'll grow us until they shrink us, they'll give us more airplanes like 50 seaters so we're ready to turn them all in for a different type and spool up quickly. We're expensive pawns. Enjoy it.
Originally Posted by higney85
Can we just call you "negative Nancy" going forward? If it's so bad, quit.
09-24-2016, 04:52 PM
#6944
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: FIRE ALPA
Posts: 3,082
Originally Posted by SilentLurker
Sorry if this has been addressed. Not trolling or changing topic. I have a question.
How long is DL planning on operating the -200??? I read they will limit capacity growth, park 50 seaters & take back flying from feeders as feeder cost increases.
Maybe these investors & analysts are wrong? But when you read quarterly earnings statements from DL top mgmt , they mention these same ideas and alluede to what their plans are, and talk about route structures & feed & 50 seaters.
But then i see over the past yr that they are doing the exact opposite & bring -200 out of the grave yards in KIGM, Roswell, etc.,
How long is DL planning on operating the -200??? I read they will limit capacity growth, park 50 seaters & take back flying from feeders as feeder cost increases.
Maybe these investors & analysts are wrong? But when you read quarterly earnings statements from DL top mgmt , they mention these same ideas and alluede to what their plans are, and talk about route structures & feed & 50 seaters.
But then i see over the past yr that they are doing the exact opposite & bring -200 out of the grave yards in KIGM, Roswell, etc.,
They need a carrot to dangle at their own pilots (currently working on their TA) in order to get them to agree to more 76 seat jets.... how do you do that? Temporarily bring a bunch of 50 seat jets out of the boneyard then offer to park them (that they are going to do anyway) in exchange for allowing another 50 76 seat jets.... that's what's going on right now. The 50 seaters are temporary negotiating tools and landing slot place holders until larger planes are secured.
09-24-2016, 05:11 PM
#6945
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Round Two
Posts: 371
Originally Posted by Fourpaw
I completely agree, was just saying that it isn't completely far fetched. I think reserve rules would be number one. We could once again lead the regionals industry but setting mainline style reserve rules. Before you know it, it will be the standard and the days of 11 days off with infinite ready reserve sits will be over!
Where exactly is this survey located?
Where exactly is this survey located?
You should receive it this coming week via email from the union.
09-24-2016, 05:11 PM
#6946
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Bus driver
Posts: 2,524
Originally Posted by Avroman
Originally Posted by JesuitValen View Post
Welcome to the airlines, and to delta. They say one thing, like we need 60 a month, we hire 40-50 a month, let go of 8 in training, another 6-10 each month are military so they are gone in 6 months. So we are really getting 20 something a month and apparently that's good enough.
Remember in 2014 #3 corporate goal was cheapest DCI. When that nearly shut down the company they paid us more and erased that for 2015.
Look, at Endeavor, everything is flexible, except we can't shut down. We've never hit our advertised hiring goal and the company still hasn't budged from the 3k hiring bonus. That may mean Delta/Endeavor identified the bonus expiration as the problem. More likely, since the gojets and republic aircraft never came we never needed it.
They'll grow us until they shrink us, they'll give us more airplanes like 50 seaters so we're ready to turn them all in for a different type and spool up quickly. We're expensive pawns. Enjoy it.
Hey! I thought that was my gig. Have I been too positive lately?
Welcome to the airlines, and to delta. They say one thing, like we need 60 a month, we hire 40-50 a month, let go of 8 in training, another 6-10 each month are military so they are gone in 6 months. So we are really getting 20 something a month and apparently that's good enough.
Remember in 2014 #3 corporate goal was cheapest DCI. When that nearly shut down the company they paid us more and erased that for 2015.
Look, at Endeavor, everything is flexible, except we can't shut down. We've never hit our advertised hiring goal and the company still hasn't budged from the 3k hiring bonus. That may mean Delta/Endeavor identified the bonus expiration as the problem. More likely, since the gojets and republic aircraft never came we never needed it.
They'll grow us until they shrink us, they'll give us more airplanes like 50 seaters so we're ready to turn them all in for a different type and spool up quickly. We're expensive pawns. Enjoy it.
Hey! I thought that was my gig. Have I been too positive lately?
09-24-2016, 05:20 PM
#6947
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Posts: 2,524
Originally Posted by Avroman
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They need a carrot to dangle at their own pilots (currently working on their TA) in order to get them to agree to more 76 seat jets.... how do you do that? Temporarily bring a bunch of 50 seat jets out of the boneyard then offer to park them (that they are going to do anyway) in exchange for allowing another 50 76 seat jets.... that's what's going on right now. The 50 seaters are temporary negotiating tools and landing slot place holders until larger planes are secured.
They need a carrot to dangle at their own pilots (currently working on their TA) in order to get them to agree to more 76 seat jets.... how do you do that? Temporarily bring a bunch of 50 seat jets out of the boneyard then offer to park them (that they are going to do anyway) in exchange for allowing another 50 76 seat jets.... that's what's going on right now. The 50 seaters are temporary negotiating tools and landing slot place holders until larger planes are secured.
09-24-2016, 07:19 PM
#6948
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: CA CRJ900
Posts: 324
Originally Posted by SmitteyB
Worst in the industry?
Where did you work before?
I didn't know early release on P1, P2, and an extra day off on P3 (CNO) was bottom feeder-type lifestyle.
I do agree though, we need to curtail the company's use of RRs. The utilization rate is criminal.
Where did you work before?
I didn't know early release on P1, P2, and an extra day off on P3 (CNO) was bottom feeder-type lifestyle.
I do agree though, we need to curtail the company's use of RRs. The utilization rate is criminal.
I guess familiarity means something is good. Early release is nice compared to what we use to have but it could be much better. I think that is really the only thing going for us on reserve but it is really not that great.
Early release is not up to industry standard especially if you fly on the last day. Most other regionals will release you at block in on your last day if you have a flight and no more flying scheduled. Not a 9E they put you on Time Available and keep you until you can not commute home on especially if you are P2.
Considering a ready reserve pilot as being on assignment and taking that person off the available reserve grid seems sneaky to me. (I was told this is what they do).
11 days off on months with 31 days is not up to standard. Extra day in the month should at least give an extra day on Reserve.
Other regionals limit Ready to 3 -5 times per month. Not 9E - up to 10. That is 50% of your reserve days.
Regardless of our perspectives of the current situation we should all agree that Reserve could be better and it is important.
For those that do not think new hires consider reserve rules - do not kid yourself. Is it number one? Nope - but it is high on the list and can be a swing decision maker when base and compensation are equal. We all get the question - how long will I be on reserve at 9E compared to X? It is great to say a couple of months, but it would be better to say that reserve life is so good that a lot of senior guys bid for it. Just saying...
My question is still out there about Delta reserve. People are suggesting we adopt their rules, but I have no idea what their rules are and would love to know more. I think they do have ready reserve pilots and they have both long and short call mixed in reserve lines, but that is just the info I have gathered from listening to guys on the hotel van.
Someone please enlighten us to Big D reserve.
Lets make improvements that make 9E a great place to be for several years and not a bandaid type deal. Thanks to all those that serve on the MEC.
09-24-2016, 08:17 PM
#6950
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[QUOTE=4myfamily;2210233]I have friends at 4 other regionals and we compare companies all the time, so that is where I am getting my info.
I guess familiarity means something is good. Early release is nice compared to what we use to have but it could be much better. I think that is really the only thing going for us on reserve but it is really not that great.
Early release is not up to industry standard especially if you fly on the last day. Most other regionals will release you at block in on your last day if you have a flight and no more flying scheduled. Not a 9E they put you on Time Available and keep you until you can not commute home on especially if you are P2.
Considering a ready reserve pilot as being on assignment and taking that person off the available reserve grid seems sneaky to me. (I was told this is what they do).
11 days off on months with 31 days is not up to standard. Extra day in the month should at least give an extra day on Reserve.
Other regionals limit Ready to 3 -5 times per month. Not 9E - up to 10. That is 50% of your reserve days.
Regardless of our perspectives of the current situation we should all agree that Reserve could be better and it is important.
For those that do not think new hires consider reserve rules - do not kid yourself. Is it number one? Nope - but it is high on the list and can be a swing decision maker when base and compensation are equal. We all get the question - how long will I be on reserve at 9E compared to X? It is great to say a couple of months, but it would be better to say that reserve life is so good that a lot of senior guys bid for it. Just saying...
As an old airline guy coming back I think you certainly hit the nail on the head! Reserve rules figured heavily in my decision, right after bases. At one past airline I worked at in 2008 I was stuck at the bottom sitting ready reserve every day and it sucked. Well, nowadays things are moving fast and probably most guys will only spend a short time on reserve (of course we were told that in 2008 too and look what happened), but consider that upgrades are happening fast too and first officers will quickly find themselves back on reserve as captain which could be longer, especially high time/low seniority/DEC guys. Anyway, every place I worked at in the past had a two hour call out reserve, and that one place was real big on most junior guys having to sit RR at the airport every day. I dreaded having to deal with that again. In fact I would never spend more than a couple days per month doing that again. I decided to go to an airline with long call out reserve, which no place I've worked at in the past had, but it sounds great. I'm surprised that other airlines don't offer this as an incentive, but I guess that if you are new to the industry you are swayed more by dollar signs than reserve rules.
I guess familiarity means something is good. Early release is nice compared to what we use to have but it could be much better. I think that is really the only thing going for us on reserve but it is really not that great.
Early release is not up to industry standard especially if you fly on the last day. Most other regionals will release you at block in on your last day if you have a flight and no more flying scheduled. Not a 9E they put you on Time Available and keep you until you can not commute home on especially if you are P2.
Considering a ready reserve pilot as being on assignment and taking that person off the available reserve grid seems sneaky to me. (I was told this is what they do).
11 days off on months with 31 days is not up to standard. Extra day in the month should at least give an extra day on Reserve.
Other regionals limit Ready to 3 -5 times per month. Not 9E - up to 10. That is 50% of your reserve days.
Regardless of our perspectives of the current situation we should all agree that Reserve could be better and it is important.
For those that do not think new hires consider reserve rules - do not kid yourself. Is it number one? Nope - but it is high on the list and can be a swing decision maker when base and compensation are equal. We all get the question - how long will I be on reserve at 9E compared to X? It is great to say a couple of months, but it would be better to say that reserve life is so good that a lot of senior guys bid for it. Just saying...
As an old airline guy coming back I think you certainly hit the nail on the head! Reserve rules figured heavily in my decision, right after bases. At one past airline I worked at in 2008 I was stuck at the bottom sitting ready reserve every day and it sucked. Well, nowadays things are moving fast and probably most guys will only spend a short time on reserve (of course we were told that in 2008 too and look what happened), but consider that upgrades are happening fast too and first officers will quickly find themselves back on reserve as captain which could be longer, especially high time/low seniority/DEC guys. Anyway, every place I worked at in the past had a two hour call out reserve, and that one place was real big on most junior guys having to sit RR at the airport every day. I dreaded having to deal with that again. In fact I would never spend more than a couple days per month doing that again. I decided to go to an airline with long call out reserve, which no place I've worked at in the past had, but it sounds great. I'm surprised that other airlines don't offer this as an incentive, but I guess that if you are new to the industry you are swayed more by dollar signs than reserve rules.
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