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Old 09-03-2015 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingsioux
We still have two more phases to implement before we get to the end state procedures.
I'm referring to the phase that was just implemented. When does 9E do the "runway pos, dep, first fix" and "final t/o brief (HAA)"?

When I sit on the jumpseat on mainline they verbalized those things during the checklist. We are suppose to do the talking before the checklist is started.
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Old 09-03-2015 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Red
I'm referring to the phase that was just implemented. When does 9E do the "runway pos, dep, first fix" and "final t/o brief (HAA)"?

When I sit on the jumpseat on mainline they verbalized those things during the checklist. We are suppose to do the talking before the checklist is started.
True, but the verbiage requires that it's done before the checklist is complete. Rev 2 (of 4) is in place, but we are "halfway" there
and line vs book are 2 very different metrics (from experience in training and the line). Read the book, do it by the book. Why? Cause our current book says so. 2 revisions down the line, it can all be different. But it's not current book.
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Old 09-03-2015 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Red
I'm referring to the phase that was just implemented. When does 9E do the "runway pos, dep, first fix" and "final t/o brief (HAA)"?

When I sit on the jumpseat on mainline they verbalized those things during the checklist. We are suppose to do the talking before the checklist is started.
At mainline we do the runway position, departure, first fix plus takeoff briefing (Heading altitude airspeed) prior to initiation of the before takeoff checklist. The checklist response is simply "verified."

At least that's the way it's supposed to be done....
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Old 09-03-2015 | 04:35 PM
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Read the Philosophy and Assumptions section.
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Old 09-03-2015 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
At mainline we do the runway position, departure, first fix plus takeoff briefing (Heading altitude airspeed) prior to initiation of the before takeoff checklist. The checklist response is simply "verified."

At least that's the way it's supposed to be done....
Yup... Read the CFM, chapter 10.

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Old 09-03-2015 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
At mainline we do the runway position, departure, first fix plus takeoff briefing (Heading altitude airspeed) prior to initiation of the before takeoff checklist. The checklist response is simply "verified."

At least that's the way it's supposed to be done....
Good. I've been doing it right then.
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Old 09-03-2015 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
At mainline we do the runway position, departure, first fix plus takeoff briefing (Heading altitude airspeed) prior to initiation of the before takeoff checklist. The checklist response is simply "verified."

At least that's the way it's supposed to be done....
Just finished up at the school house here in MN and that's the way we were taught at least. I'm interested to see how the new revision is functioning on line.
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Old 09-04-2015 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CFin
Just finished up at the school house here in MN and that's the way we were taught at least. I'm interested to see how the new revision is functioning on line.
Mostly it's working fine. I think the biggest struggle is that people read thru the changes once or twice a then don't open the book again. A consensus starts forming for a procedure because "that's how everyone else is doing it".

I can point to one example of some people thinking when the CA calls for flaps 8/20 after the After Start and before taxiing that means to select flaps AND do the checklist as well.
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Old 09-04-2015 | 08:21 AM
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Old 09-04-2015 | 08:23 AM
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