Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
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What are you advocating? Would it had made any difference in the merger if NWA or Western Airlines had same or less hiring practices then any regional? I doubt it. Where is the hiring practices mentioned in ALPA's merger policy? Would it not be better for ALL pilots to go through the same interview when operating equipment for that company?
I'm against the outsourcing of large regional jets. To rein it in requires we focus on that level first. We've finally stopped the onslaught at that level and hopefully we can do more later.
I'm well aware of the Ford/Cooksley/et al asinine analogies about slavery and Hitler and all the evils of the world being embodied in the gross injustice of them not getting a chance to present their DOH/relative integration fantasies in binding arbitration. ALPA and the legacies certainly didn't handle the run up to the regional debacle correctly, but shame on those few regional guys at the time for their lame attempt at a massive land grab windfall all while draping themselves in the flag of unionism and the sanctity of "the process". No one bought it then and no one's buying it now.
The real question is where do we go from here. All signs point to a flow not being an option anytime soon, and airlines are looking at ab initio schemes, MPL and all of that. I'd rather current DCI pilots (especially exclusive DCI ALPA and WO pilots) get significant preferential treatment, especially before any wonder kid selected from birth or whatever. But I don't see any way to force the company to take 100% of all pilots at any particular regional airline with no say whatsoever. That's just not realistic.
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It was disgraceful indeed. The attempted land grab by a small number of arrogant opportunists who drastically overplayed their hand and forced ALPA/DALPA to take action to protect their careers and seniority list from massive poaching was far more responsible for it than mainline ego or whatever.
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Fly the plane using situational awareness. A 6am flight and gorgeous wx from an outstation may be raw data to FL180+, a midday flight on an rnav dept out of a mid-busy apt may be handflying with the FD through 10+, a complex departure out of NYC at night w/wx may be 600' AP ON. Common sense must prevail, just let the other guy know what your intentions are so everyone is on the same page. Same for arrivals and approaches. Stay current in all levels, based on the situation. We should all be "pilots" at this point so use some SA and CRM/TEM... and all is well.
In the sim, I agree the visual approaches are the most difficult, but since doing them foqa has been flagged much less on the line. Is it training or line practice? Dunno, but it seems to be working to address the problem areas, which is what AQP is all about.
In the sim, I agree the visual approaches are the most difficult, but since doing them foqa has been flagged much less on the line. Is it training or line practice? Dunno, but it seems to be working to address the problem areas, which is what AQP is all about.
Now after 10am I can totally agree with the above post.
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I don't really know what you're asking here. Are you trying to say that because some buyouts result in mergers due to types of equipment operated, then either all regional WO's should get full seniority at a mainline, NWA pilots should have had to interview for a job, or else there is mass hypocrisy? That makes no sense but it appears its the path you're trying to go down.
I'm against the outsourcing of large regional jets. To rein it in requires we focus on that level first. We've finally stopped the onslaught at that level and hopefully we can do more later.
I'm well aware of the Ford/Cooksley/et al asinine analogies about slavery and Hitler and all the evils of the world being embodied in the gross injustice of them not getting a chance to present their DOH/relative integration fantasies in binding arbitration. ALPA and the legacies certainly didn't handle the run up to the regional debacle correctly, but shame on those few regional guys at the time for their lame attempt at a massive land grab windfall all while draping themselves in the flag of unionism and the sanctity of "the process". No one bought it then and no one's buying it now.
The real question is where do we go from here. All signs point to a flow not being an option anytime soon, and airlines are looking at ab initio schemes, MPL and all of that. I'd rather current DCI pilots (especially exclusive DCI ALPA and WO pilots) get significant preferential treatment, especially before any wonder kid selected from birth or whatever. But I don't see any way to force the company to take 100% of all pilots at any particular regional airline with no say whatsoever. That's just not realistic.
I'm against the outsourcing of large regional jets. To rein it in requires we focus on that level first. We've finally stopped the onslaught at that level and hopefully we can do more later.
I'm well aware of the Ford/Cooksley/et al asinine analogies about slavery and Hitler and all the evils of the world being embodied in the gross injustice of them not getting a chance to present their DOH/relative integration fantasies in binding arbitration. ALPA and the legacies certainly didn't handle the run up to the regional debacle correctly, but shame on those few regional guys at the time for their lame attempt at a massive land grab windfall all while draping themselves in the flag of unionism and the sanctity of "the process". No one bought it then and no one's buying it now.
The real question is where do we go from here. All signs point to a flow not being an option anytime soon, and airlines are looking at ab initio schemes, MPL and all of that. I'd rather current DCI pilots (especially exclusive DCI ALPA and WO pilots) get significant preferential treatment, especially before any wonder kid selected from birth or whatever. But I don't see any way to force the company to take 100% of all pilots at any particular regional airline with no say whatsoever. That's just not realistic.
I know we beat the dead horse many time folks, but the topic is a fun one to chime on.
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I don't understand why management keeps telling our pilots they won't announce this southern base and/or more 200's because it will cause a recruiting issue at that said DCI carrier...the fact is at that carrier they are already bleeding FO's...Announce this growth or whatever it is and let's get on with it. Why the secret?? they are not protecting anyone.
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I think (key word) the lack of favor to 9E pilots based on merit and good work ethic with regard to being hired at mainline will be a big deterrent to future 9E candidates. Gosh that probably reads like jibberish. New hires today would much preferably be hired be a regional whose owner appreciates their workmanship with the job at hand (flow) because the money is all comparable. People who aren't here now don't care to get to delta. In fact many young people view them as the grand impugnors of all other aviators; especially regional ones.
I know we beat the dead horse many time folks, but the topic is a fun one to chime on.
I know we beat the dead horse many time folks, but the topic is a fun one to chime on.
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