Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
12-01-2016 | 11:01 AM
#8791
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That effin bankruptcy. How many return to works did we end up getting back? 20? 30? We have something like 1040 people remaining from the bankruptcy, add 700 to delta, so we kept 1740 or so out of 3400?
12-01-2016 | 11:24 AM
#8792
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You're blurring more lines than you're clarifying here. DL could liquidate while EDV remains. Don't think it can't happen. Pan Am, Eastern, etc. If something were to happen that truly endangered the airline, they could easily sell off EDV or spin them off to make quick cash while dismembering the husk of the former mainline.
I agree that mainlines have more "power" but ironically they have more limited leverage than you think. Short of agreeing to massive concessions (IMO far more than it would actually even cost due to the value of flexibility to management) there is no way outside of holding the line during a strike to achieve what you are advocating for as a unilateral effort by a mainline or "the union".
The best leverage will come from us holding the lines and not allowing more viable airframes, the "pilot shortage" forcing costs significantly upward, and maybe strike(s) at the regional level. CMR settled for an industry leading contract at the time, but no scope. That was a recipe for disaster especially since it occurred during a growth phase for the lift but during a relative glut of pilots across the system.
A legally striking regional today would have WAY more leverage. And I would think they'd get some help from mainlines and the rest of the industry. I'd gladly pay a relatively large assessment to give them all the leverage they needed to raise the bar and squash the model. And I think striking or furloughed ALPA pilots should get preference anyway. UAL does a much better job at that than we do, but the guard is changing and hopefully we can as well.
I agree that mainlines have more "power" but ironically they have more limited leverage than you think. Short of agreeing to massive concessions (IMO far more than it would actually even cost due to the value of flexibility to management) there is no way outside of holding the line during a strike to achieve what you are advocating for as a unilateral effort by a mainline or "the union".
The best leverage will come from us holding the lines and not allowing more viable airframes, the "pilot shortage" forcing costs significantly upward, and maybe strike(s) at the regional level. CMR settled for an industry leading contract at the time, but no scope. That was a recipe for disaster especially since it occurred during a growth phase for the lift but during a relative glut of pilots across the system.
A legally striking regional today would have WAY more leverage. And I would think they'd get some help from mainlines and the rest of the industry. I'd gladly pay a relatively large assessment to give them all the leverage they needed to raise the bar and squash the model. And I think striking or furloughed ALPA pilots should get preference anyway. UAL does a much better job at that than we do, but the guard is changing and hopefully we can as well.
Major U.S. and foreign air carriers may, under 49 U.S.C §§ 41308-41309, request a grant of immunity from the U.S. antitrust laws to operate certain commercial alliances. Immunity allows these airlines to coordinate their fares, services and capacity as if they were a single carrier in these markets, subject to certain conditions.
12-01-2016 | 12:17 PM
#8794
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From: 9E Pilot
Did any good questions get answered today from the new hire class? Endeavors CEO, COO, Chief pilot and MSP Chief Pilot for Delta all spoke to the new hire class. Can anybody that was there give us a rundown? Any future plans? Bases? etc.
12-01-2016 | 02:13 PM
#8795
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It's a bit more complicated than that gloopy,
The antitrust immunity Delta operates under because of the merger has a codeshare requirement, it's unlikely to recapture that flying without breaking back up into NWA/DAL. If you didn't break up, the LCC's will be allowed to pick which routes of DAL they want.
The antitrust immunity Delta operates under because of the merger has a codeshare requirement, it's unlikely to recapture that flying without breaking back up into NWA/DAL. If you didn't break up, the LCC's will be allowed to pick which routes of DAL they want.
In any case its not all or nothing. Even if DL is limited to current 70/76 seat caps, that's more than enough lift to cover any and every regional slot even theoretically in jeopardy, even if it came to that. Need to keep X amount of regional lift in LGA and DCA? Fine, we'll just pull the reduction in lift from MSP, SLC, CVG, ATL (possibly excluding the SKYW gates situation) and DTW instead. Nothing the DOJ can or will do about that. Done deal. Easy peasy.
12-01-2016 | 02:50 PM
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Personally I see that as unlikely. Requiring captaincy for DGI ensures they'll have folks who want to upgrade rather than sit at solid FO pay and high in their seat waiting for a call. They need captains and that is a way to ensure folks go for it.
12-01-2016 | 04:01 PM
#8798
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From: CA CRJ900
All the pilots that don't qualify for DGI will upgrade for more pay. There are a lot of new hires that do not have college degrees and therefore no interview for them. Let them upgrade so they can move on to United, SW or LCC.
12-01-2016 | 04:21 PM
#8799
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From: CaptFo
That's not a valid reason. Problems at home means take a break and come back when you are ready for class. The entire flowback is a bunch of bullshnit! We can't Flow up but they can come back and push arse further south on the seniority list. Nope 👎
12-01-2016 | 06:02 PM
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Don'tlike it? Who cares.
DGI or GIP is a joke. Blame the company, that's their deal. The SSP has some protection for pilots who get it. How many have come back? 10? 5? 2?
Theres a flow at envoy. Enjoy.
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