Endeavor is a great place to work and is slowly growing but at the expense of other regionals, what happens as that well runs dry? Will we lose our own to AA regionals who have a flow?

12-01-2016 | 09:32 AM

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Shouldn't the fact that our radio callsign is apparently "Envoy" entitle us to their flow

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Endeavor is a great place to work and is slowly growing but at the expense of other regionals, what happens as that well runs dry? Will we lose our own to AA regionals who have a flow?

It isn't uncommon to hear newer FOs saying if they could do it over they would probably be at Envoy/PSA/PDT. Seeing where everything is now... I would probably have looked harder at Envoy honestly. Hindsight is 20/20 though and 9E is a great place to be regardless.

12-01-2016 | 09:33 AM

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It doesn't take an MBA to see that regional feed is being priced out of the market anyway. Starting pay 8 years ago was less than $20,000 today it is $60,000. There is a reason Major airline contracts aren't pushing the line on scope, they are just using it as a bargaining piece - they never intended to get more scope. The regional model of the last 15 years is done.

Maybe so, but the majors need pilots as bad as us. If pay goes back to $20k no more college educated pilots.
People are protesting for $15/HR min wage that's $30k to
Push a broom. You think regional pilots are overpaid? There aren't enough pilots as is!!!

12-01-2016 | 09:34 AM

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For the love of all things holy can we please change the subject.........

In other news Delta's TA overwhelmingly passed. Hopefully this gives us the green light on negotiations for pay amongst other things.

12-01-2016 | 09:42 AM

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What is the average per month right now? 700 in 2-3 years is close to that already.

Its 16 a month. I think there was an initial dump of flow guys and some off the street hires. Dont forget, delta counts the guys they take from endeavor that didnt go through ssp or flow. So you got a MIL guy that hasnt touched a plane in 4 yrs. Send him to endeavor and hire him off street after 6months and hey! Another endeavor hire. Used to have about 6 mil guys a month.

12-01-2016 | 09:47 AM

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Can I get an amen

12-01-2016 | 09:48 AM

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Indications a few pages back was that it should start early this month.

12-01-2016 | 09:52 AM

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I don't think this is correct. I am fairly certain that last year it changed so that off the street Endeavor new hires no longer count in the quota.

12-01-2016 | 09:57 AM

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I don't think this is correct. I am fairly certain that last year it changed so that off the street Endeavor new hires no longer count in the quota.

Not the quota, but if 16 new hires are in a delta class and 3 off street mil guys from endeavor delta claims (rightfully) 19 that month.

In other words, endeavor (by delta) is claiming the highest number than. If they exclusively quoted just the ssp numbers its 16 a month. 192 a year. But that isnt the whole story. A newhire can expect a few more than just 16 a month leaving. 19 in this example plus whoever leaves for united/swa/fedex/whoever

12-01-2016 | 10:07 AM

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This number keeps getting bigger, it's hilarious. Just remember we had 3400 pilots when we merged, not a very good percentage when your actually comparing apples to apples.

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There is more than enough lift currently being done at places that likely will never see a flow with anyone, let alone anywhere close to the SSP levels of hiring (almost 700 in 2-3 years plus another 70 to other places, etc). So even if AA regionals have that advantage over DL, Endeavor will still have a huge leg up on many regionals regardless.

Also, the more EDV "stagnates" (that's a pretty relative term to 90% of the pilots in this industry the last 10-15+ years) the more they will have to incentives new hires. A flow incentive merely band aids the substandard pay and work rules by using hiring as a carrot to retain pilots instead of retaining them with market based compensation.