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Old 09-23-2015 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Delta just broke a "promise" and more CJOs will be delayed, slowing upgrades and upward movement a little bit. Being wholy-owned as a regional by Delta sucks, it shouldn't be seen as a positive.
If you would; elaborate for me here, keep in mind I still have my regional flying cherry. All I hear from people in the industry is how the staffing shortage is causing regionals to leach or steal from others. So at one point here they are suggesting a ramping down of the number of regional carriers. So, with intuitive thinking, it leads me to believe that wholly owned carriers would have the edge here in terms of stability. How many Delta new hires are coming from 9e versus street hires; so to speak?
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Old 09-23-2015 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Delta just broke a "promise" and more CJOs will be delayed, slowing upgrades and upward movement a little bit. Being wholy-owned as a regional by Delta sucks, it shouldn't be seen as a positive.
As I read the memo posted on another site, the SSP said 144 OR 30% of new hires, whichever is less.

The 131 will be 30% of Delta's new hires for 2015. No broken promises, it just means 13 pilots will move over 4-6 weeks later than expected.

It's all in how you interpret things - you glazed over the part that said 9E will offer close to 350 Captain Upgrades in 2016 - 29+ per month! Why not talk about that?
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Old 09-23-2015 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason
As I read the memo posted on another site, the SSP said 144 OR 30% of new hires, whichever is less.

The 131 will be 30% of Delta's new hires for 2015. No broken promises, it just means 13 pilots will move over 4-6 weeks later than expected.

It's all in how you interpret things - you glazed over the part that said 9E will offer close to 350 Captain Upgrades in 2016 - 29+ per month! Why not talk about that?
Because DOOOOOOM!!!!!!
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Old 09-23-2015 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason

It's all in how you interpret things - you glazed over the part that said 9E will offer close to 350 Captain Upgrades in 2016 - 29+ per month! Why not talk about that?
They also said the ETD was the answer. You believe that?
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Old 09-23-2015 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Milk Man
They also said the ETD was the answer. You believe that?
Milk, this industry ebbs and flows so much over the course of 6, 9, 12 months, we need to just focus on the future.

The company certainly owned the errs of their way on ETD and delivered alternatives to stave attrition. How many ETD pilots were ultimately hired? A few dozen? How many has 9E hired or offered CJOs to in 2015? Close to 300? Retention payments and their DGI deal seems like the right formula.

Plus, again, anticipated 350 captain upgrades in 2016. But you go ahead and hold onto the past a little while longer.
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Old 09-23-2015 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason
Milk, this industry ebbs and flows so much over the course of 6, 9, 12 months, we need to just focus on the future.

The company certainly owned the errs of their way on ETD and delivered alternatives to stave attrition. How many ETD pilots were ultimately hired? A few dozen? How many has 9E hired or offered CJOs to in 2015? Close to 300? Retention payments and their DGI deal seems like the right formula.

Plus, again, anticipated 350 captain upgrades in 2016. But you go ahead and hold onto the past a little while longer.
It is poor form, we are already allowing them to hold back on a monthly basis and they just announced they are going to hold back next year. They hired almost twice the amount required for the max number to go, just take the 13 pilots.
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Old 09-23-2015 | 11:39 AM
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While being wholly owned can be a double edge sword, I can't help but think it is going to be the WO that thrive over the next couple of years. Regional airline profit margins are razor thin, and WO's are viewed as cost centers not profit centers. There is little advantage to a mainline partner outsourcing its flying to publicly held companies that have shareholders to answer too. Watch the roadshow video on the new Mesa TA, they do a good job of explaining it IMO. Or maybe Im drinking too much Kool-Aid...
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Old 09-23-2015 | 01:05 PM
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"It's all in how you interpret things - you glazed over the part that said 9E will offer close to 350 Captain Upgrades in 2016 - 29+ per month! Why not talk about that?"

Just wait to be let down again at the end of 2016. Same folks that made all of the other promises.
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Old 09-23-2015 | 06:11 PM
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Anyone have any leads on an MSP crash pad? My buddy needs one and he can't get PMs for some reason. If you can PM me I will pass it along.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 09-23-2015 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason

It's all in how you interpret things - you glazed over the part that said 9E will offer close to 350 Captain Upgrades in 2016 - 29+ per month! Why not talk about that?
Because he can't turn that into something negative about Endeavor. He can talk about the upgrade that Compass or PSA can offer but, he won't talk about the upcoming upgrades when these guys with the CJO leave for Delta. He only picks out the negative things when it comes to Endeavor.
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