Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
09-21-2015, 07:25 AM
#881
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Because someone hired at Compass today isn't going to upgrade in 6-7 months. Plus, you know, there is more than just a quick upgrade to consider.
09-21-2015, 07:25 AM
#882
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Know a guy hired at Compass this February 2015, he's already in upgrade training. 6-7 months for him. Why anyone would still choose Endeavor...
09-21-2015, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
Didn't you and 100's of others come to Pinnacle for the fast upgrade a while back? Those same guys that are now 7-8 year FO's? How'd chasing the upgrade work?
09-21-2015, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Oh come on IB if you're gonna call out, then call out honestly. 9E was the place to go for the program schools Gulfstream and jetU. Quick upgrade was nice, but that was not the primary decision factor. In fact by then all the RJs were already on property and 0 growth.
09-21-2015, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Or a retention bonus of 20k? There's a reason that exists and it isn't out of the goodness of their hearts.
09-21-2015, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Yes, like bases. ATL/MEM. Or a retention bonus of 20k? There's a reason that exists and it isn't out of the goodness of their hearts. With the amount of movement at majors, it would be in ones best interests to join a growing/expanding regional and get the PIC to move on.
09-21-2015, 08:00 AM
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Well, it was a specific 9E program and they came down and interviewed every month. But you're right many did come for the quick upgrade. Big difference though is 2007 and onwards, upgrade movement was for attrition only and not growth. Difference now is 0 growth at Endaevor and lots of growth at other places. You're right it's always a gamble, but chances are a lot better at places upgrading due to new aircraft and growth versus upgrading due to attrition only (Endeavor).
09-21-2015, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Well, it was a specific 9E program and they came down and interviewed every month. But you're right many did come for the quick upgrade. Big difference though is 2007 and onwards, upgrade movement was for attrition only and not growth. Difference now is 0 growth at Endaevor and lots of growth at other places. You're right it's always a gamble, but chances are a lot better at places upgrading due to new aircraft and growth versus upgrading due to attrition only (Endeavor).
09-21-2015, 08:12 AM
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Growth is great when there is a glut of new pilots salivating for upward mobility. Now there are fewer in the pipeline and regionals are resorting to poaching other carriers with 'carrots'. That poaching is slowing down too. Your growth regionals today are starting to feel the pinch of fewer pilots to hire and that'll be when the growth stops. A buddy of mine left 9E for RAH right after we declared Chpt 11 and RAH announced 75 E175s for growth. He was told a less than 2 year upgrade. Well he is still an FO 4 years later looking at a shrinking company and possibly a Chpt 11. The regionals aren't what they once were and when the last of the poaching stops, all the regional carriers will resume shrinking. If a quick advertised upgrade works for some great, but it won't work for others.
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