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12-17-2017 | 01:57 PM

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Jersdawg

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The 60+ person classes they are running say otherwise. The small class in December is because of the holidays. They will be back to normal in Jan.

Yeah but for how long? And then just wait til a second and third regional match Endeavor pay...or a regional starts offering to buy out our two year signing bonus commitment.

12-17-2017 | 03:33 PM

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58 in class tomorrow

12-17-2017 | 04:22 PM

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That issue is apparently why the PDT old timers in the union are trying to slip in “non seniority list” instructor clause into contract negotiations with the company. They want to be able to setup permanent shop in the training center after age 65 hits and they collect their pensions.

Between taking instructor jobs off the seniority list and PBS for scheduling like management wants, PDT will probably be looking at a 30+% reduction in manning requirements compared to what they need now for the expansion.

Are you sure it's the union that wants non senority list instructors?

12-17-2017 | 04:34 PM

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58 in class tomorrow

Oh wow! I'd heard the Dec. class only had 18. I guess after they found out they'd get a Christmas off, a bunch of guys changed their class date. So like I said flow is still bringing them in droves.

12-17-2017 | 05:37 PM

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Great. No need to meter flow now

12-17-2017 | 07:47 PM

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Are you sure it's the union that wants non senority list instructors?

It’s the old timers (within 3 years of retirement) within the union that are really excited about the idea...

01-01-2018 | 10:14 AM

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What is the flow looking for new hires right now? I'm trying to decide between a few different airlines. It seems that Envoy dangling the flow to main line is the only true benefit over one with better pay.

01-01-2018 | 11:35 AM

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9+ years on paper. Unknown variables include outside attrition, and AA hiring, just to name a couple.

01-01-2018 | 02:30 PM

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What is the flow looking for new hires right now? I'm trying to decide between a few different airlines. It seems that Envoy dangling the flow to main line is the only true benefit over one with better pay.

This is true. With the company metering the flow, it's virtually useless for a new hire today. Unless pay and/or QOL is addressed here, I will continue to recommend prospects head to EDV.

01-01-2018 | 06:51 PM

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9+ years on paper. Unknown variables include outside attrition, and AA hiring, just to name a couple.

Few will stay for 9. That's why I don't think 9 will hold. I will guess 25% will take another path. That should drop it to 6-7. 200 year x 6 =1200 pilots.