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08-17-2018, 03:54 PM
#131
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I am coming into this conversation late, but man, it sounds like a ******* show. I only came on to this board to research and help my daughter make a career decision. She has an undergrad and master's in music, but aviation is a passion, has been for a long time and for some unknown reason seems to want to fly 121. On one side I feel bad for her, as it sounds like a mess getting to a good spot in a career. On the other hand, music is a freaking mess also and the compensation is a joke in comparison to what 121 is getting. And I know she would just be depressingly miserable in a corporate job. Right now her "office" is an L-19 Bird Dog, with almost no compensation. But I am not sure it gets much better than that. These might indeed be "the good old days".
Was looking at Envoy with her, but I just don't know...
Was looking at Envoy with her, but I just don't know...
08-17-2018, 03:58 PM
#132
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Has she applied to the majors already (particularly Delta)? Female aviatiors are considered diverse and are regarded as extremely desirable candidates for the best positions in this career.
Regardless, if going to a regional to improve the resume for a street hire at any major, I wouldn't worry about Envoy. The main gimmick Envoy has is the flow. If you are assured of a call from a major in fairly short order, there are better places to be.
Regardless, if going to a regional to improve the resume for a street hire at any major, I wouldn't worry about Envoy. The main gimmick Envoy has is the flow. If you are assured of a call from a major in fairly short order, there are better places to be.
08-17-2018, 08:18 PM
#133
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Posts: 2,465
Originally Posted by dbdevkc
I am coming into this conversation late, but man, it sounds like a ******* show. I only came on to this board to research and help my daughter make a career decision. She has an undergrad and master's in music, but aviation is a passion, has been for a long time and for some unknown reason seems to want to fly 121. On one side I feel bad for her, as it sounds like a mess getting to a good spot in a career. On the other hand, music is a freaking mess also and the compensation is a joke in comparison to what 121 is getting. And I know she would just be depressingly miserable in a corporate job. Right now her "office" is an L-19 Bird Dog, with almost no compensation. But I am not sure it gets much better than that. These might indeed be "the good old days".
Was looking at Envoy with her, but I just don't know...
Was looking at Envoy with her, but I just don't know...
Also should add, despite what else is said, female or not, she will not get Delta right out of college. Ignore that other post.
07-12-2019, 03:32 PM
#134
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Posts: 3
Some people have never gone hungry
It’s amazing to me the number of over-privaledged, under-experienced men and women who think because they have a piece of paper they are entitled to instant success. Hard work is exactly that, hard work, and arriving at the regionals is hardly the end of it. For those who have the character and fortitude to persevere through the hard beginning years of airline experience, a rewarding and lucrative future is theirs. For those with unrealistic expectations, as is the case with this impatient pilot, discouragement and disgruntlement usually follow when those inflated expectations pop. The rest of us are rewarded with a seniority boost.
Last edited by tomgoodman; 07-12-2019 at 04:12 PM. Reason: Good post, until the insult in the last sentence.
07-12-2019, 04:17 PM
#136
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Wow! This is a strange thread to dredge up and get on a soapbox about given the last post was nearly a year ago and the original post you're referencing is over a year and a half ago.
07-12-2019, 04:32 PM
#137
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
And from a one post wonder, no less.
Last edited by tomgoodman; 07-12-2019 at 06:30 PM. Reason: Retaliatory insults not allowed either.
07-12-2019, 04:36 PM
#138
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Confused
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
And from a one post wonder, no less.
07-12-2019, 05:17 PM
#139
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Originally Posted by OneAAPilot
I’m sorry guys I guess I’m a little confused, I thought this was a forum. I just recently joined and, despite this being over a year old, comments were still being made and I thought I was welcome to state mine. Maybe if I had more than one post, my opinions would have more validity and possibly not trolled to such a level. Please forgive me if I’ve violated any of your safe places.
07-12-2019, 06:06 PM
#140
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Read Before You Come To Envoy
Originally Posted by OneAAPilot
It’s amazing to me the number of over-privaledged, under-experienced men and women who think because they have a piece of paper they are entitled to instant success. Hard work is exactly that, hard work, and arriving at the regionals is hardly the end of it. For those who have the character and fortitude to persevere through the hard beginning years of airline experience, a rewarding and lucrative future is theirs. For those with unrealistic expectations, as is the case with this impatient pilot, discouragement and disgruntlement usually follow when those inflated expectations pop. The rest of us are rewarded with a seniority boost.
Valid point of view in my book. That is how the wheels turn in this industry. No harm in your statement.
People are jittery here at Envoy. Jaded way too many times. AIP debacle for example has caused PTSD and trauma (so much drama in this pilot group).
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