Read Before You Come To Envoy
01-10-2018, 12:40 PM
#111
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Originally Posted by BigZ
So you aren't a part of the employee group, but already have an opinion as for which info shared on a forum is solid and which is bs?
Cool.
Cool.
01-10-2018, 12:59 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman
There is literally no place else on the internet that you can get as much information on a Regional then this site and its forums. It's up to each user to filter out the bull****. It's threads like this, not being a part of the employee group, that helped me choose a Regional. So I am not sure why his comment was so surprising to you.
I mean, great first post and all, but still
01-10-2018, 01:06 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by BigZ
It came across as an overly simplistic approach to picking a company to which to hitch your wagon for the next number of years, there's a blanket branding statement in there.. I dunno, is that enough or should there be more reasons?
01-10-2018, 01:23 PM
#114
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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman
Simplistic? The guy gave a 21 point dissertation on why not to come to Envoy, then we have had a 12 page discussion with both pros and cons, some in a agreement, some in disagreement. If that is a simplistic approach, please link to somewhere else on the internet that gives that kind of intimate detail on the inner workings of Envoy. The company page? lmao, come on man
My comments were about this dude
I'm going to dissect in bold
Originally Posted by prfly
Thank you for taking the time out to type all that. I am certain it took a lot of your time.
Agree
Those defending are probably recruiters or Envoy milkmaids and juicers.
Bold unfounded statement.
This is excellent information for those of us seeking which direction to go and man...you helped me and I am sure several others.
Perhaps. I didn't see anything that I didn't see before in the general thread in there though
Its too bad that they mistreat their pilots like that... after all, there IS a reason bonuses are offered.
Its super simple...keep your pilot group happy = keep your pilots
Agree
Why they don't get it, who knows????
Right????
Don't give up...you just got unlucky with where you went. There are some great airlines out there that have a good QOL and treat their employees well.
How tf would he know if he's still looking for that first airline? Based on his great experiences on the forums?
Good Luck !!!
Agree
Those defending are probably recruiters or Envoy milkmaids and juicers.
Bold unfounded statement.
This is excellent information for those of us seeking which direction to go and man...you helped me and I am sure several others.
Perhaps. I didn't see anything that I didn't see before in the general thread in there though
Its too bad that they mistreat their pilots like that... after all, there IS a reason bonuses are offered.
Its super simple...keep your pilot group happy = keep your pilots
Agree
Why they don't get it, who knows????
Right????
Don't give up...you just got unlucky with where you went. There are some great airlines out there that have a good QOL and treat their employees well.
How tf would he know if he's still looking for that first airline? Based on his great experiences on the forums?
Good Luck !!!
01-10-2018, 02:39 PM
#115
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Originally Posted by BigZ
For some dudes lack of exotic overnights is taking away from the job, to me that's golden.............
I tend to like the current uniform. I'd prefer something with a VNAV, but will settle for the 145. Reserve rules suck, but I hope it'll get better eventually. Same goes for pay - given the opportunity I'd trade the sign on bonus for higher rates. But at the end of the day, it is what it is at this point in time..............
Message I quoted originally was eye-roll-worthy, that's all, nothing else to see here.
I tend to like the current uniform. I'd prefer something with a VNAV, but will settle for the 145. Reserve rules suck, but I hope it'll get better eventually. Same goes for pay - given the opportunity I'd trade the sign on bonus for higher rates. But at the end of the day, it is what it is at this point in time..............
Message I quoted originally was eye-roll-worthy, that's all, nothing else to see here.
-No one cares about "exotic overnights." Getting a seniority number at a career airline is what matters.
-Are you truly suggesting the UNIFORM should be a factor in choosing airline employment? If so, your post is "eye-roll-worthy."
-Keep hoping for pay raises and improved reserve. In my opinion, I do not think these are likely.
-VNAV is nice, but not important. Getting paid better, restored vacation accrual, and getting treated better are much more important.
Best of luck to you in your career. I hope things go well for you.
These are my personal opinions and not the opinions of any entity or employer.
01-10-2018, 03:10 PM
#116
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi
Wow. Are you actually for real?
-No one cares about "exotic overnights." Getting a seniority number at a career airline is what matters.
I know guys who enjoy spending nights at nice places vs Detroit. Being home every night sounds great to me, not so great for other guys I know. I personally do consider some of the LCC carriers to be career airlines. YMMV, but a good friend flew for Braniff, Midway, Piedmont, US Air and AA in that particular order, which one of them could have been considered career airline? He spent a couple of years at AA before retiring
-Are you truly suggesting the UNIFORM should be a factor in choosing airline employment? If so, your post is "eye-roll-worthy."
You're reading too much into it. That was a homage to some of these posts with people complaining about the brand of tablet issued for EFB.
-Keep hoping for pay raises and improved reserve. In my opinion, I do not think these are likely.
It will get better, unless the economy tanks next couple of years. I bet $5 on new rates at Envoy by September
-VNAV is nice, but not important. Getting paid better, restored vacation accrual, and getting treated better are much more important.
True to an extend, especially the last part. However, I also happen to enjoy flying complex pieces of machinery. You gotta get excited about the day to day stuff - chemtrails at sunset, pressing the right buttons for the damn thing to fly vnav in climbs and level off for crossing restrictions and such. Job satisfaction can't be just about the money.
Best of luck to you in your career. I hope things go well for you.
Thank you. I'm sure they will one way or the other. Hope for the same for you.
These are my personal opinions and not the opinions of any entity or employer.
-No one cares about "exotic overnights." Getting a seniority number at a career airline is what matters.
I know guys who enjoy spending nights at nice places vs Detroit. Being home every night sounds great to me, not so great for other guys I know. I personally do consider some of the LCC carriers to be career airlines. YMMV, but a good friend flew for Braniff, Midway, Piedmont, US Air and AA in that particular order, which one of them could have been considered career airline? He spent a couple of years at AA before retiring
-Are you truly suggesting the UNIFORM should be a factor in choosing airline employment? If so, your post is "eye-roll-worthy."
You're reading too much into it. That was a homage to some of these posts with people complaining about the brand of tablet issued for EFB.
-Keep hoping for pay raises and improved reserve. In my opinion, I do not think these are likely.
It will get better, unless the economy tanks next couple of years. I bet $5 on new rates at Envoy by September
-VNAV is nice, but not important. Getting paid better, restored vacation accrual, and getting treated better are much more important.
True to an extend, especially the last part. However, I also happen to enjoy flying complex pieces of machinery. You gotta get excited about the day to day stuff - chemtrails at sunset, pressing the right buttons for the damn thing to fly vnav in climbs and level off for crossing restrictions and such. Job satisfaction can't be just about the money.
Best of luck to you in your career. I hope things go well for you.
Thank you. I'm sure they will one way or the other. Hope for the same for you.
These are my personal opinions and not the opinions of any entity or employer.
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