Truthanator

entitled snowflake fall hard.

AZPilotMike

Well sure, and 100 years ago people got sick and died from simple injuries, doesn't mean we dont want to continually improve upon modern medicine.

Just because things are better now doesn't equate to people wanting improvement being wrong or asking to much. By your logic, things should never change so long as they are better then the worst it had been.

However, all that said, I agree, we are in a pretty great spot as regionals go. Envoy isn't the best in terms of pay, but they are not the worst either. Overall I feel they are a good company in my limited experience. Do I think for a minute they are perfect, hell no.

BarrySeal

ahh, someone who gets it

HanSoolu

Your argument that one shows no credibility in a particular subject because they aren't well known is not just illogical, but just plain stupid.

I stand by my recent comment. If you want my response, then refute my points.

Astute observation. Can you point to who said it wasn't? Can you point to anything that supports the notion that all regionals should have a subpar QOL?

You have added nothing to this thread that hasn't already been said.

Did anyone say it was supposed to be the other way around? I am presenting FACTS. These are for those that wish to make the decision to come to Envoy. Potential New Hires should be afforded the ability to make an informed decision. Why rob them of that solely because a few people think of us to be "whiners?"

I never said that, but I'm glad to see that we're finally working toward a common ground.

450knotOffice

Fact of the matter is that ALL the information - good or bad - is readily available.

The unwashed masses did not need you to come in and set the record straight.

Your post was simply a VERY long winded opinion of yours posted as fact. Just because you created numbered paragraphs does not suddenly make your post valid to all who consider working there.

Yours is but one opinion, and everyone has one.

HanSoolu

Wouldn't it be great if it was all in one location? Problem solved.

Seeing as Envoy is still attracting new hires, I respectfully disagree.

You must not have read the people that agreed between the original post and your post.

Furthermore, the conditions need not apply to ALL pilots for them to be an applicable issue.

If you dispute what I posted as FACT, then back up your claim.

The reason my original post was so long winded is because it utilized something called evidence. Something you have absolutely no shred of, seeing as Envoy doesn't have an Airbus.

I welcome anything that the current pilot's at Envoy refute. But you can't just say "no, you're wrong," and offer no explanation whatsoever.

That's great. If you work at Envoy, I'm sure the new hires would love to hear others (but not yours) as well!


The fact of the matter is this: Few have agreed with me publicly. Many more have sent me direct messages thanking me for writing this post.

The simple fact that one person decided to stay away from Envoy means that my post served a purpose. Maybe it was small, maybe it was big. But people are reading this post. And to me, that's all that matters.

The bottom line is this: given the option to go to Envoy or another regional, I can NOT in good conscience recommend this company.

This is my opinion and I do believe that everyone is entitled to one.

Truthanator

Way to research your career change Zippy. I'm sure you'll be so happy counting paper clips and soap dispensers and deducting "business lunches" for John C. Executive. That will be about as exciting as a beige Chrysler K Car. Your post is about as boring as your degree and next career.

Guys!! I just got back from 2025 and here is a post from HanSoolu in the Boring Accountant Central Forums....

Read Before You Come To Ernst & Yawng

We live in a day and age where information is readily available at our fingertips, yet we’re still able to recruit people to this company based on numerous falsehoods and sometimes even complete scams. I am writing this to try to paint a more accurate picture than our recruiters at Ernst & Yawng seem to be giving our new hires.

After just under 2 years with Ernst & Yawng , I have made the decision to retire from the accounting industry altogether after 5 abysmal years. My experience at three different accounting firms has proven that this sector of accounting is not for me. People will continue to tell you that it gets better. Unfortunately, the grass is not always greener on the other side.

My Bachelor’s Degree is in Accounting. When I graduated, I had the option to continue with Accounting and work towards my CPA with one of the Big Four Accounting Firms. Instead I jumped into aviation without researching it at all and bounced between three different airlines. None of that was my fault. I left after five years to come back to this black hole of numbers, pencils, and despair.
To those of you that are thinking of joining the ranks of the “Elite” at Ernst & Yawng, I strongly urge you to think again before selling your soul to the devil (read: John C. Eeyo).

Before I go to deep into this, I ask to those that respond to please refrain from emotions. My goal is one thing: Whining about my poor choices and thin skin.

Reasons Why You Shouldn’t Come to Ernst & Yawng:

1) Sex is Nonexistent. Nothing. The women are frigid. The guys play Dungeons & Dragons
It won’t take you long at this company to discover that the “Just under 6 years to get to promoted” that the recruiters seem to be touting is a complete lie. The powers that be in management have decided they are more important than us.


I cannot stress this enough: DO NOT COME TO Ernst & Yawng FOR THE HOT GIRLS.

2) You will commute to a cubicle and eat lunch in the same cafeteria for 36 years.
This is mainly for those on the glorious 6th and 7th floor.

Because Ernst & Yawng has so many accountants transfer out, the company forces a decent group of its new hires to work 14 hour days. The recruiters will tell you that it's only during tax season, but they will regularly stop by and tell you they are going to need you to come in on Saturday....mmmmk.


If you’re going to be forced to stare at numbers all day, why not go to an accounting firm that actually cares about its employees and compensates them adequately? *cough*Arthur Andersen*cough*

2a) If you go to the 7th floor, You will be run by someone with little authority to be a manager.
The company has chosen the lowest bidder for the managers job, and that individual is our head accountant, who just so happens to be a Furry and will eventually invite you to the next Furry convention.

Because he is the lowest bidder for the job, expect him to never be in the office when you need him. Also expect him to be completely unhelpful for anything you need.

I once asked for a new stapler (for attaching paper purposes) and was told by this accounting manager that he does not have the proper permissions to give someone a stapler. The manager on the 12th floor hands staplers out to everyone that asks!


3) Pay (Especially our Absurd Bonus Structure)
We’ve all seen the compensation that some accounting firms have been advertising. Those that include Taco Tuesday and the annual Christmas bonus in their “compensation” numbers are pulling wool over your eyes. Let’s forget about that for a moment. As of the end of 2017, Ernst & Young paid a meager $64,750 per year to a first year accountant. I was planning on putting in a pool this year.

5) Expect To Be Underpaid
I decided to make this a different number even though it could have been covered in #4 because it's about pay, but I figured the more bullet points, the more it sounds like I'm intelligent and not just whining again.

6) Expect casual Friday to be taken away at any moment. They hang this over our head every month. God I hate ties.

7) Constant Depression.
If you're new to accounting, you have no idea how monotonous and boring it is.

8) The Company Will Force You to Put Cover Pages On Your TPS Reports
Management is so bad at this company that they have no regard for my feelings. I need a safe space.

This will not get better over time. The corporate culture is in desperate need of a change. Ernst & Yawng managers have a "do it or will get some other pencil pusher" mentality, which always works to the company’s favor. The company knows they won’t be penalized for their wanton and willful violations of the contract.


9) Extra Breaks Will Count Against You
Despite being told during training that you should take a break if you are tired, the company has an approach to taking extra breaks that is unparalleled within this industry. Take an extra break and you will be disciplined for it.

Don’t take my word for it. Ask every single accountant at Ernst & Yawng

You WILL fall asleep at your desk.

10) Forced Weekends
What you’ve heard around the industry is true. Ernst & Yawng is using a little known clause within its labor contract to force accountants to come in on Saturdays. Sometimes Sunday's too.


11) The Sixth Floor is Hell
Not even joking. It sucks so bad. I have to go to the 12th floor to get anything decent out of the vending machines. And you have to listen to Bethany answer the phone louder than any CSR ever. Also, Ed likes to stop by and ask personal questions about your kids.

12) Fired for Calling in Sick
Apparently they expect you to come in and work even when you're sick. They just tell you to wear a mask and "suck it up, it's tax season". If you call in during tax season, you will be fired. I guarantee it.

13) Long Sits
It's accounting. You will sit on your arse for 8-12 hours every day. Because it's accounting, and you sit at the same desk every day. All day. For 30 years.

14) My Desk Sucks


In closing, the trend that Ernst & Yawng as an accounting firm is experiencing is downward in nature. Due to the current corporate culture and management, you can expect tomorrow to be worse than today.

I welcome your response and input. Feel free to send me a private message if you have questions on a personal level. I will be happy to answer them.

HanSoolu

I'm trying to determine if you think that this is not the same at all accounting firms. Because the information I posted about Envoy does NOT apply across the board at all regionals.

Clever satire though, I will give you that.

IFlyYoGirl

I used to work for a big four accounting firm, and I decided to leave to be a pilot. After 2 years as a CFI, I would sooner go back there and sit at my desk job than go to Envoy.

Truthanator

Hey, I get it. This country is filled to the brim with sheep that shuffle with the herd to the same dull job 5, 6, or 7 days a week. I quit a desk job to do this back when first year pay at the regional airlines was 20 bucks an hour. It was the smartest decision I've ever made.

Some people aren't willing to tough it out for a few years. I did. Now I work 10 days a month and make 200k/yr.
I worked my ass off to get here. I endured more BS than your pathetic whiny post x10.

Go trudge to your office every day and pretend you won't be whining about it just like this in 5 years.

I'm gonna be skinny dipping in Bora Bora.