If you were terminated, I wonder if AA considers you rehireable?

And to original poster. Some gripes were a little overstated but I don't blame you one bit for looking to better your life in or out of aviation. Do what's best for you! Everything you said is a complaint from many here so I don't know why there was so much backlash.

 

I resigned with two weeks notice and am rehireable. It's a tactic by SheepDogg and his recruiting buddies to deflect from my posts which usually point out the recruiting lies and inconsistencies they put out.

 

Here is a simple point for potential NEW HIRES to consider. If you live in DFW and are willing to wait 6 months to a year in LGA to get back to DFW- I say come to Envoy or Spirit. Once you get back to DFW you will If you will be forced to upgrade and shipped back to LGA. HA! If you don’t live in DFW and can get on with Endeavor.... GO TO ENDEAVOR!!! All the other points of why not to come to Envoy by original poster are mostly valid maybe some exaggeration here and there. Flow is a easy 9 years for a new hire so that shouldn’t even be apart of your equation in coming to Envoy. 2026- 2027 new hire class at AA!!! Good Luck!

 

There are a lot of bitter people on these boards. damn. Oh well, better for my seniority.

 

I think you do have a passion for 121 flying, and are trying to convince yourself otherwise. If not, why did you try 3 different regionals? I get trying a second one to find a better situation, but if you had no passion for the job, you would have hung it up after the second try.

Then you say you are "looking for a regional that will stay true to its word, but it doesn't exist." You state that in the present as if you are still looking for a good regional. The statement also leads to the belief that if said regional were out there, you would be headed to your fourth regional instead of accounting.

Confusing statements for someone with no passion for the job.

 

LMAO at your statement above to the man “That is as far as your career will go in this Industry.” Ok, sure. That’s not a bad position to be in. One can have a great career at Allegiant! HOME EVERY NIGHT as well as Captains earning $200K -$250K/yr take home. Do research. A lot has changed, in pay industry wide. Allegiant pays much higher than Spirit or Frontier “right now”, and that should/will change in a couple months once our ALPA brothers/Sisters at Frontier & Spirit get the Airbus parity raises they deserve. They will match or exceed industry standard.

Better than waiting 15 years for a flow to AA. Ok fine, better than waiting 9 years as a NH for a metered to minimum no interview lazy “FLOW” . We need to step out of the Group Think phenomenon. This industry is changing so fast. More promising careers possible beyond AA/DL/UPS/FedEX/SW ranks. Get out of the regionals, apply to Allegiant-JetBlue-Spirit-Frontier If you have 2yrs to 3+ yrs until no interview “flowing”, are flexible, and can live in other bases. Get your Apps out! Large growth plan & 100+ new aircraft orders (recently announced for Frontier) for example. They are far from a lateral move. It’s upward mobility. Granted they are all Airbus operators, consolidation is possible amongst the 4 carriers.

I don’t need wide-body pay. $250K/yr with good seniority and home every night lots of days off sounds like a great career to me. IIRC:
AirTran—-> Southwest. VirginAmerica—-> Alaska.

Allegiant and LLC/ULLC may be subpar careers to you. Truth is, any of them is better than a Regional Airline (SKYWEST, 5 WOs, TSA Holdings), any of them offers a great career now, or at-least will be, thanks to consolidation and business model changes at 121 Mainline, Cargo, LLC, ULLC operators.

 

Fair enough, I will restate. In my experience, I haven't seen them come anywhere near terminating someone for a couple sick calls. I still hold out that there may have been other circumstances involved. I could be wrong though and just got lucky. I will concede that my statement is limited to my experience only.

Best of luck to you, I know this industry can be tough and it breaks people at times. It really shouldn't be this difficult, I cant think of another field that requires its workers to be so defensive on every single point of employment.

Envoy isn't perfect, but they have treated me pretty well, so who knows. However, I came here with the flow as an "oh ****" button of sorts and never intended to make it my default path out of the regionals, so perhaps I view things with a different set of lenses.

I would have zero issue going to work for Allegiant, Sprit or Frontier especially after they get the contract worked out. Smaller list to climb and I suspect more movement. I find little difference in spendable income from someone making mid-career pay at Allegiant in comparison to mid career pay at AA, plus they prob have a much better QOL.

Anyway, good luck to you and yours, I hope you find your way in whatever path you choose. Pilots tend to be the worst to their own kind, which to this day never ceases to amaze me and I feel holds us back far more than it pushes us forward.

 

Thanks for the post. Looks like I dogged a bullet with Envoy.

 

I didn't see anything wrong with his delivery. By this forum's standards, it was a really well written organized post. Didn't come across whiny at all, again by Regional pilot standards.

 

You mean like it should have always been? You are giving the airlines a break for taking advantage of the Recession by cutting labor costs while making record profits. Now that things are getting back to what they should have been, you considered it better?? You're like one of those Skywest pilots who just voted yes to a contract with little to no raise.

Things are just starting to get back to a respectable level, but we have a long way to go before this community is truly compensated for what they are worth to the national economy.