Subpilot

I just answered a question. To say there have not been improvements over the last three years is dishonest. When I started here, first year pay was $22/hr with none of the aforementioned improvements that we now have.

use2fly

See bold...

bigtime209

Things have definitely improved from a few years ago, but we still have a long way to. Things that still need to happen:

-Roll in bonuses to permanent pay rates for FOs and raise CA pay to be on par with EDV.

-Return vacation accrual to the way it was pre-2014 TA. It's absolutely absurd that a pilot should have to wait until they're on pay step 8 to see more than 2 weeks of vacation.

-Address QOL issues ranging from poor schedules, an antiquated RSV system, etc...

-Quit trying to achieve this overly ambitious growth plan at the pilots' expense of metered flow and QOL hits (staffing shortfalls, which equal no POs/PVDs, JMs, denial of RSV swaps, etc...). I understand that the desire is to be back to our old size, but it shouldn't be at our expense. Especially since it was corporate greed that ran off 1500+ of our pilots in the first place.

DilsonWic

I’d venture to say the ones “happy” about the “improvements” here have less than 3 years on property.

Envoy12

The people on here saying how they love flying so much are the ones ruining it for everyone. Those people are the ones willing to get paid ******* money because “hey at least I’m flying an airplane for a living”. It is possible to love flying but also want to get paid accordingly and have good QOL. The OP may or may not find that it’s better in the coroporate world but at least he’s willing to try to get a better life for himself. Things are better than they were but they still have a long ways to go. I agree with most of the OP’s post but I disagree about non rev travel and JM’s. Everybody has a different experience though.

Purpleanga

If you went to Allagiant 2 years ago that means you were fired from a job or you had no other options due to circumstances like miscalculations, maybe a lateral regional move not working out and you had to get out. Either way you didn’t have a choice. So don’t make it seem like you know what you’re talking about. 2 years ago, allegiant only hired rejects, convicts and dui cases, glad you got lucky tho...

bigtime209

And the cold hard truth is that he would've flowed to AA well before he'll actually see the cockpit of a legacy aircraft. He's obviously still bitter about that fact.

Newstick189

I mean, I wouldn't discount the fact that he's sitting left seat at Allegiant. Doing rough math he's making $160k a year right now which I'd rather have than making half that at any regional waiting for my number to get called for the flow.

I'm not an Envoy employee but If Allegiant called I would take the opportunity versus waiting to get my number called.

BarrySeal

where did original poster go ?

he signed up on 01-02-18, created and posted only to this thread, and disappeared.

uncredible

back to regular programming.

Reminder to the f ignorant and stupid: Yes, Envoy is a regional.

Reminder #2- Regional QOL and pay is not the same as mainline/major QOL.

Common APC comments about regionals in general from whiners and crybabies and "me generation"

1. My regional sucks
2. They overwork me
3. Pay sucks
4. Dispatch/Ops hates Pilots
5. Commuting sucks
6. the check airman all suck
7. management sucks
8. my regional sucks, how about your regional
9. any rumor to instant Captain upgrades. I can't wait 1 year
10. pay sucks
11. new ATP rule sucks
12. the CEO's is over focused on making money
13. regionals suck
14. am I qualified for Delta
15. wow I fly too much, this is BS
16. they expect us to fly
17. we are treated like employees of some big mammoth company who doesn't care how we feel
18. this place sucks
19. if you can pull it off, skip this stage and go direct Delta, Fedex
20. regional to corporate ? thoughts ?
21. why do I need a degree, I am cutting my teeth now, that is BS and sucks
22. I don't suck
23. military dudes suck
24. everybody sucks
25. (hired at XYZ major then....) our pay is lower than ABC Major pay, we suck.
    
    cycle continues until death
    

Todays regional is jet cockpit Day-1. Years ago, regional new hires flew Jetstreams, Embraer EMB 110 Bandeirantes, Metroliners, or Beech 1900's. Steam gauge cockpits and typically never got above FL 180. Forget long domestic or international trips as a regional pilot. A "long trip" was DFW-MAF in the Saab or DFW-LRD in the ATR.

today, a new regional hire is logging "jet time" (SIC, yes...) from Day-1.

but, Envoy sucks

Virga show

Envoy doesn’t suck... I just want to be treated as the rest of the regional industry. I don’t think that is asking too much. Or may be it is. Either way if back in the day you were flying a metro or ATR and your buddy flying for another regional was flying a E175 you would be pi$$ed off and wanting the same. Correct?