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12-27-2018, 08:48 PM
#301
New Hire
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 9
I'm a new hire starting class in mid Jan, looking for some advice if anyone can help me out or point me to the correct forum. I'm trying to put a list of aircraft/locations together in case I have options when I go to indoc. My goals are to fly as much as possible and upgrade as fast as possible, just looking for some insight as to what my best options are. Right now my #1,2,3 choices would be 175 ORD, 145 ORD, 145 LGA. I would like to be in DFW but the upgrade times are a lot longer from what I understand. My thinking is that the 175 will see movement over the next few years with the increasing fleet size but not sure if that is accurate. I read in this forum that there were some 175 only classes, is that still happening? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.
12-27-2018, 09:18 PM
#302
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,469
Originally Posted by BillyBob1
I'm a new hire starting class in mid Jan, looking for some advice if anyone can help me out or point me to the correct forum. I'm trying to put a list of aircraft/locations together in case I have options when I go to indoc. My goals are to fly as much as possible and upgrade as fast as possible, just looking for some insight as to what my best options are. Right now my #1,2,3 choices would be 175 ORD, 145 ORD, 145 LGA. I would like to be in DFW but the upgrade times are a lot longer from what I understand. My thinking is that the 175 will see movement over the next few years with the increasing fleet size but not sure if that is accurate. I read in this forum that there were some 175 only classes, is that still happening? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.
There is no #3.
12-27-2018, 09:24 PM
#303
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,054
Originally Posted by dera
Fly as much as possible and upgrade as fast as possible, your #1 and #2 choices should be, #1 175 in any base, and #2 175 in any base.
There is no #3.
There is no #3.
The downside of flying as much as possible and upgrading as soon as possible is that you are too junior to hold a 175.
12-27-2018, 09:29 PM
#304
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 606
Originally Posted by BigZ
Just don't forget that you will be upgrading into a 145 more likely than not.
The downside of flying as much as possible and upgrading as soon as possible is that you are too junior to hold a 175.
The downside of flying as much as possible and upgrading as soon as possible is that you are too junior to hold a 175.
12-27-2018, 09:49 PM
#305
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Position: Flying with my right hand again
Posts: 199
Forced upgrades will likely continue to be a thing for quite a while. Still losing 40ish CAs each month, that's about how many FO get their necessary hours each month. Just because Envoy hired a bunch of FO's two years ago, it doesn't mean they have been racking up the hours.
12-27-2018, 10:00 PM
#306
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,054
Originally Posted by Voski
If he’s forced to upgrade to the 145, would he not be eligible to change equipment to the 175 once the vacancy opens? Which also begs the question — are forced upgrades going to be a continuing trend or are they projected to go away?
12-28-2018, 04:41 AM
#307
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 606
Originally Posted by BigZ
Yes, he can absolutely bid to 175, provided there is no seat lock (i.e. took the standing vacancy to upgrade asap, proffered on the bud etc). But the equipment to equipment CA bid is subject to 30% cap, i.e. if 145 CA bids to 175 and there are X vacancies available, no more than 0.3X of those go to existing CAs, rest to FOs.
12-28-2018, 05:17 AM
#308
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Originally Posted by BillyBob1
I'm a new hire starting class in mid Jan, looking for some advice if anyone can help me out or point me to the correct forum. I'm trying to put a list of aircraft/locations together in case I have options when I go to indoc. My goals are to fly as much as possible and upgrade as fast as possible, just looking for some insight as to what my best options are. Right now my #1,2,3 choices would be 175 ORD, 145 ORD, 145 LGA. I would like to be in DFW but the upgrade times are a lot longer from what I understand. My thinking is that the 175 will see movement over the next few years with the increasing fleet size but not sure if that is accurate. I read in this forum that there were some 175 only classes, is that still happening? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.
12-28-2018, 05:48 AM
#309
New Hire
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by dera
Fly as much as possible and upgrade as fast as possible, your #1 and #2 choices should be, #1 175 in any base, and #2 175 in any base.
There is no #3.
There is no #3.
12-28-2018, 05:51 AM
#310
New Hire
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by BigZ
Yes, he can absolutely bid to 175, provided there is no seat lock (i.e. took the standing vacancy to upgrade asap, proffered on the bud etc). But the equipment to equipment CA bid is subject to 30% cap, i.e. if 145 CA bids to 175 and there are X vacancies available, no more than 0.3X of those go to existing CAs, rest to FOs.
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
So first things first we can all agree that 175 ORD is what you want to start out with. From there the question is when you upgrade what equipment will you be on. Who knows really? The best guess is you would be forced or left with the 145 for the upgrade.
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