dera

You think every OFC will be displaced to same base/equipment?

There was only 1 OFC who "had" to take the CRJ in the last class. The other guy chose it. You think he too will suddenly decide he wants DFW?
Our class had a few disappointed guys because no 145 were offered. They wanted LGA base and now have to commute to fly the 175. They can't wait to upgrade to the 145.

Assuming the displacement will be split in 2, that's what, a month of movement for you? No, I don't think it's a big deal.

NoValueAviator

I hope things turn out well for you. Given the seat you’re in, any inconvenience is likely to be minor and fleeting. However, in 145 hell even 2-3 senior pilots coming into the list could be enough to keep otherwise-lineholding FOs on reserve for a couple more months.

Cyio

I think they are referencing the CRJ FO's movement, which to be honest has mostly senior people on it, therefore a vast majority will most likely be upgrading as opposed to moving to the right seat in something else. Sure there will be some that do that, however your seniority is also improving as 145 pilots above you upgrade, flow or retire. Lastly, if those FO's do go directly to another FO seat, my hunch is they will most likely stay in ORD, since that is where most of them have been for years.

I understand it's hell for you, we get it, but it will improve. With all the E75's coming, I see people flocking to that fleet as well, so movement should improve on the 145 side of things.

NoValueAviator

I notice many people suggesting that the pace of movement and fleet growth on the 175 helps those of us marooned on legacy fleet FO island, but how is that possible as long as there are plenty of CA slots to go around and we’re pinned by a permanent FO seat lock? With no bidding around, the FO staff in each fleet face experiences that are so different as to defy explanation without talking about them like different airlines.

Cyio

Because as vacancies open on the 175 FO’s above you will try and upgrade to it, thus moving you up the list.

Can I ask, which base are you in and are you there by choice?

NoValueAviator

The barrier to upgrading is not CA jobs, it’s 121 hours. Who is getting the 121 hours? If it ever becomes CA jobs, how does not having the hours before that reality sets in help me? This is simple math and applicable to every base.

Cyio

Because as you move up the list, you will fly more. It’s pretty simple really. Movement above you on any fleet will lead you to more flying hours.

It’s pretty typical to get about 250-300 hours your first year here and then ratchet up from that point.

Base does matter. If you are choosing to work in a high seniority base then your time off reserve will take longer.

NoValueAviator

You don't get it man. Senior pilots in same seat have to leave to move you up the list. Senior pilots can't leave because they flew less year one and don't have the minimum hours (currently the only barrier to upgrading).

I am not sure how to explain this any better.

AV8R72

Are there any fixes in the works for the reserve times? That’s the only thing holding me back from Envoy. Losing 700 hours in the first year by going to Envoy is tough

Cyio

Are you arguing just to argue now? How do you figure it has to be the same seat? If you are an LGA based FO and 10 OCL flow out, that means you could have 10 LGA FO's now ready to upgrade bid over to it. Movement above means movement below. Sure movement on your fleet is quicker, but hell any movement is good.

Your point still doesn't add anything, your first year or so here will be slow, somewhere around 300 hours but after that it picks up. You still never answered my question, what base are you at and did you choose that base? If you don't want to say the location, that's fair, but at least tell me that you are choosing to stay there or not. If you are choosing to stay in DFW, well that is your problem, I understand it if you live there, but you cant complain about hours when you are choosing to live and work in the most senior base. If you are in LGA or ORD, hang in there it will improve. When was your DOH?

I know you say 145 is the hell fleet, but is also our largest and with the most bases, giving you the most choice. I know people on every fleet and they all have nearly the same first year or so in terms of hours, which is what I am talking about here, not quality of lines and all of that.