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Old 07-27-2019 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
What’s all this crap about if they can’t pay us retro pay from June 1 they will pay us 20hours for line holders and 15 hours for reserve...

...literally makes no sense. I’m sure it isn’t to our advantage
At first, I read it as "god damn it, we're not even getting back pay to June 1". Then a little quick math, I think it's in the company's best interest to backpay to June 1 rather than pay those costs... if I read it correctly.

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Old 07-27-2019 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by moon
The year is true now but as the flow slows it will take someone longer than a year from getting on large RJ rates to flow so at least there's that?
Correct. So, any new hire today could expect to stay on SRJ CA pay rates for 7+ years.
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Old 07-27-2019 | 02:40 PM
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What is SRJ vs LRJ?
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Old 07-27-2019 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jake cutter
What is SRJ vs LRJ?
Small, large. Pay band B vs C
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Old 07-27-2019 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jake cutter
What is SRJ vs LRJ?
Small RJ (SRJ) Large RJ (LRJ)

Which is deceptive as Envoy CA pay is based purely on seniority, regardless what equipment you fly.
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Old 07-27-2019 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
I actually like the pay the banding concept in practice (blended would be better). I do hate it that APC shows the rates incorrectly such that even people on property that do not really pay attention to the contract assume APC is correct.

PSA has pay blending because all of their pilots can fly the large and small RJs (same type rating). Also about 1/4 of their fleet is the small RJ, while 2/3 of our fleet is the small RJ.

Also, APC does talk about the pay banding in the pay notes. From the website:

"Envoy uses seniority-based pay banding for captains regardless of actual aircraft flown (i.e. E175 pay band, CRJ pay band, EMB pay band). The size of the pay band is determined by the staffing required for the number of aircraft within the band. "
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Old 07-27-2019 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
It's already been signed behind closed doors by the union
That sucks. Really should have gone to a pilot vote with that significant of a change.
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Old 07-27-2019 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by inevitableneb
Thank goodness, you bunch might have voted down a no concessions pay raise.
We did take concessions technically... Retention bonus being taken to me sounds like a concession... Rip...
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Old 07-27-2019 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by WillFlyForeFood
We did take concessions technically... Retention bonus being taken to me sounds like a concession... Rip...
Not a concession. Company has had the right to pull it with 30 days notice. They didn't need to ask anybody
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Old 07-27-2019 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by inevitableneb
Thank goodness, you bunch might have voted down a no concessions pay raise.
Why would anyone vote yes to getting paid less than the other two WO? Especially after the AIP mess. We need new leadership
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