FOs are all paid the seat warmer rate.

 

Is that why mesa pilots make so much money? Atlas pilots must be millionaires.

 

Well some companies still undercut their pilots as a whole while still paying based on the size/seats of the airplane. Yeah Atlas underpays but a 747 captain still makes quite a bit more than a 767 captain.

Same thing at JetBlue for another example. A320 pay is under market value pay compared to the legacies but you still get paid more than a 190 pilot.

My point being, if you do make it to the mainlines, don't be surprised if your regional 737 flying is paid a lot less than international 787 flying for the same company.

 

The all get Large RJ pay.

 

Our blended rate would mean a paycut for most. PSA has a much higher ratio of large v.small RJs. Stop wishing for a blended rate. It would be a loss in pay.
That's not the way to fix this discrepancy.

 

You can ridicule the idea that this would happen all you want, but this is exactly what happened when the CRJs showed up. There was no pay banding, and you had senior captains commuting from all over the country to make more $$$. Obviously it’s not everyone, but there’s history on this.

 

Well no sh*t. But it seems like every airline but us does this since were pay banded.

 

NOPE sorry but math does not work that way. Most would get a pay raise. Some, the senior guys, would get a reduction.

 

Or stay here at Envoy because we don’t do it like everybody else. We have seniority based pay vice equipment based pay.

 

Blended rates are in aircraft that have the same type rating. On the CRJs for instance, instead of paying one rate when a 200 is flown and a higher rate when a 900 is flown, a percentage of 200s vs 900s is averaged and that rate is paid across the board. Makes things simpler.

United flies the 757 and 767. Same type rating. 75s have one rate and 76 200&300 and 76-400s each have different rates. Significantly so. 767-400 trips go very senior because of it. True for captains and FOs.

Envoy does not have different aircraft that share the same type.

That being said, I think the whole pay band thing is bogus. While there is the statement on APC about it, it is clear that even most of the Envoy pilots still don’t understand what it really means and sure don’t have any idea how many people receive it or when they are eligible.

Until this current set of pay changes, 145 FOs actually made more because of the higher sign on bonus. Explain that one. SNJ is more popular. Supply and demand. Doesn’t have anything to do with size of the aircraft. Maybe that should be taken into account with the pay rates.