Why would you like it? The only people it benefits is junior CA’s who couldn’t imagine themselves having to fly the 145. No one who says they like pay banding would tolerate this same scheme at mainline. It only benefits the company by saving them on training cycles.

 

You can thank alpa for that too. Mec gave it to them and we got nothing in return other than a screw job.

 

But would they have pulled it if it wasn't for this "agreement" that was a recruiting tool, they probably wouldn't have been able to keep ppl coming in the doors without the agreement and getting rid of the bonus...

 

I don't know what to tell you guys, you now have contractual rates vs. company discresstion bonus. Sorry

 

On one hand, there's this. Contractual rates beat discretionary bonuses.

On the other hand, that's something for the pilot group to decide, not the MEC.

When 9E made the switch from bonuses to pay rates, as badly as our MEC wanted the change, the 9E pilot group got to vote on it first.

 

Ok and that's fair, but I don't go calling something a raise when you're not actually getting more money. Doing some rough math, all they're doing is moving $20k from a bonus to hourly pay, and then calling it industry leading pay. No it's pay enhancing. Some win, some lose, but overall, it's just that contractual pay now instead of bonus pay. Again not a raise when you do the math.

 

That's why I said some win some lose, I factored in min guarantee only. I realize you now get more in your 401k. We have pilots that don't pick up OT, they have families and want to be home as much as possible. Some guys don't get juniormanned, deadhead pay means squat if you're reserve. I could keep going. Again this does help some. But others it doesn't. So it's almost a wash. It's a pay enhancement. Not a raise.

 

The retention bonus was a joke. You wouldn't even see the first one until about 15-16 months in. And most FOs don't even get all of them before upgrading. On top of that having to wait until tax time to get back some of the witholdings on the bonuses. And as previously stated the company could get rid of them at any time. As well, all current FOs got the 20k signing bonus on day 1 that is now gone.

If you want to say this deal is unfair compared to the original AIP I agree. But I don't understand how anyone thought our pay scale and bonus restructures would be any different than PSA/Piedmonts, which is the entire reason why the union wanted things such as sick time payout, more days off on reserve, etc in lieu of PSA having a higher blended rate.

It seems like a lot of people on here have a poor understanding of our pay banding vs PSAs blended scale.

 

Not up to the pilot group or the MEC. At company's discresstion.

 

Should've been a pilot vote. Really would like for the MEC to tell the company that they exceeded their authority.