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04-17-2020, 12:43 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Well, THAT would be a new interpretation of the contract not consistent with years of precedence. Is this the new company line that our wondrous union is accepting?
They have been denying those hotels randomly before as well. There is no consistent past precedence, and no language to support it.
Good luck arguing that.
04-17-2020, 04:10 PM
#142
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Originally Posted by dera
Got a contractual reference for that?
FYI: The one you're looking at in 11.E is for lineholders, not reserves.
FYI: The one you're looking at in 11.E is for lineholders, not reserves.
04-17-2020, 04:20 PM
#143
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
Funny... they keep using the word "pilot" in section 11. Seems like it should apply to everyone. Whoever started the precedent that Section 11 is for lineholders, not reserves, deserves an eternity of kicks to the nuts.
What comes after pilot?
"holding a line of time"
On top of the inconvenience of being subject to last turn cancellation requirements on reserve and so on. 11.E is for lineholders, and it's a damn good thing.
04-17-2020, 04:45 PM
#144
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Originally Posted by dera
Shame you can only read one word at a time.
What comes after pilot?
"holding a line of time"
On top of the inconvenience of being subject to last turn cancellation requirements on reserve and so on. 11.E is for lineholders, and it's a damn good thing.
What comes after pilot?
"holding a line of time"
On top of the inconvenience of being subject to last turn cancellation requirements on reserve and so on. 11.E is for lineholders, and it's a damn good thing.
What comes before "lines of time" in 11.B.1? (hint: reserve) Yes, Virginia, there is a reserve line of time.
We can play this game all day long. The fact is that the union, and some shortsighted selfish people like yourself, think that these company friendly interpretations are "a damn good thing". They have been failing their fellow pilots under the CBA. It remains a poorly worded management friendly bankruptcy era document in desperate need of change. Unfortunately, that is unlikely to happen as people in position to push for those changes think "it's a damn good thing" to save the company a few bucks by denying a hotel room for a fellow pilot.
04-17-2020, 04:54 PM
#145
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
Pilot is defined in section 2. As are a bunch of other terms often ignored in the contract.
What comes before "lines of time" in 11.B.1? (hint: reserve) Yes, Virginia, there is a reserve line of time.
We can play this game all day long. The fact is that the union, and some shortsighted selfish people like yourself, think that these company friendly interpretations are "a damn good thing". They have been failing their fellow pilots under the CBA. It remains a poorly worded management friendly bankruptcy era document in desperate need of change. Unfortunately, that is unlikely to happen as people in position to push for those changes think "it's a damn good thing" to save the company a few bucks by denying a hotel room for a fellow pilot.
What comes before "lines of time" in 11.B.1? (hint: reserve) Yes, Virginia, there is a reserve line of time.
We can play this game all day long. The fact is that the union, and some shortsighted selfish people like yourself, think that these company friendly interpretations are "a damn good thing". They have been failing their fellow pilots under the CBA. It remains a poorly worded management friendly bankruptcy era document in desperate need of change. Unfortunately, that is unlikely to happen as people in position to push for those changes think "it's a damn good thing" to save the company a few bucks by denying a hotel room for a fellow pilot.
11.B? I thought we were talking about 11.E. I know you know, actually, scratch that, you don't have a clue, about the bargaining history of that section. And you know it is solely meant to be for lineholders only. Read through it a few times, and tell me you want it to apply to reserves.
Let's just do it this way, ok?
Email the contract compliance committee, and ask them what they think about it. See what they say. They have the past practice and previous interpretations available. Because whatever you moan and shout here has no weight on how the contract is implemented. Ask the guys who know how it works.
Let us know what they say, ok?
04-17-2020, 05:08 PM
#146
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Originally Posted by dera
2.MM has nothing to do with this. You can throw around your irrelevant sections as much as you want, it doesn't change a thing.
11.B? I thought we were talking about 11.E. I know you know, actually, scratch that, you don't have a clue, about the bargaining history of that section. And you know it is solely meant to be for lineholders only. Read through it a few times, and tell me you want it to apply to reserves.
11.B? I thought we were talking about 11.E. I know you know, actually, scratch that, you don't have a clue, about the bargaining history of that section. And you know it is solely meant to be for lineholders only. Read through it a few times, and tell me you want it to apply to reserves.
I don't see anything in 11.E that would be bad if applied to reserves. Section 12 "Reserve" includes all the additional responsibilities of a reserve pilot that do not apply to lineholders. Section 11 "Scheduling, Scheduling Changes, Monthly Line and OT Bidding" seems like it has a lot of things that apply to lineholders and reserves... or as I like to call them, "pilots".
04-17-2020, 05:18 PM
#147
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Originally Posted by dera
Let's just do it this way, ok?
Email the contract compliance committee, and ask them what they think about it. See what they say. They have the past practice and previous interpretations available. Because whatever you moan and shout here has no weight on how the contract is implemented. Ask the guys who know how it works.
Let us know what they say, ok?
Email the contract compliance committee, and ask them what they think about it. See what they say. They have the past practice and previous interpretations available. Because whatever you moan and shout here has no weight on how the contract is implemented. Ask the guys who know how it works.
Let us know what they say, ok?
04-17-2020, 05:31 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
Anything that improves the pay and QOL for any of our pilots, I want it to apply for them. It seems you are fine screwing over your fellow pilot.
I don't see anything in 11.E that would be bad if applied to reserves. Section 12 "Reserve" includes all the additional responsibilities of a reserve pilot that do not apply to lineholders. Section 11 "Scheduling, Scheduling Changes, Monthly Line and OT Bidding" seems like it has a lot of things that apply to lineholders and reserves... or as I like to call them, "pilots".
I don't see anything in 11.E that would be bad if applied to reserves. Section 12 "Reserve" includes all the additional responsibilities of a reserve pilot that do not apply to lineholders. Section 11 "Scheduling, Scheduling Changes, Monthly Line and OT Bidding" seems like it has a lot of things that apply to lineholders and reserves... or as I like to call them, "pilots".
RAP gets called from home to do a turn and its OSO, his turn cancels, so instead of being released to rest/RAP, he now sits at the airport for 4 hours.
Clearly you like to screw over your fellow pilots.
04-17-2020, 05:32 PM
#149
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
I already said the union has been failing their fellow pilots under the CBA. Now you want me to ask them if they agree with themselves on matters like this? You deserve the 'Voy.
I now see how you operate, engaging in further discussion with you is pointless.
04-17-2020, 06:15 PM
#150
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Originally Posted by dera
11.E.1.l/m would absolutely suck for reserves.
RAP gets called from home to do a turn and its OSO, his turn cancels, so instead of being released to rest/RAP, he now sits at the airport for 4 hours.
Clearly you like to screw over your fellow pilots.
RAP gets called from home to do a turn and its OSO, his turn cancels, so instead of being released to rest/RAP, he now sits at the airport for 4 hours.
Clearly you like to screw over your fellow pilots.
Oh wait, you never really dealt with sitting on reserve... so you really don't know what you are talking about. Bye!
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