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Old 07-28-2021 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Opteryx
Wow, that’s a pretty significant difference. I have a CJO with Envoy and was looking forward to a class, but maybe I need to look at Republic.
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Old 07-28-2021 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
Republic and skw have 17 days off with 90 hour lines. Inquiring minds would like to know why envoy for six years has been 14 days 73 hours.
Since rah and skw fly more for aag maybe they should first reduce there fuel burns because here at envoy most flight are on fumes before departure.
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Yeah and SKW will deadhead you out of base to sit airport standby or even leave you stranded in Colorado without a hotel. We also have lines with 17 days off, it obviously goes senior. Same for them.

The result? Every regional sucks, that’s why we need to get in and get out!


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Old 07-28-2021 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
not standard. That’s like me saying that the lines at Envoy are 17+ days off and 90 hours credit and we all know those are for a select few. I bet they do have MORE lines than us with more than 11-12 days off, but that’s mainly because of PBS
It is NOT because of PBS.
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Old 07-29-2021 | 02:39 AM
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Fleet quality: Envoy flies jets!
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Old 07-29-2021 | 03:21 AM
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Like before flow won't get them in the door need bonuses just like every regional. Envoy is last on the pecking order of aag regionals for monthly schedules, skw and rah get there pick first.
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Old 07-29-2021 | 04:58 AM
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  • Exceptional training– Envoy has a reputation for leadership in airline pilot training and is highly respected among its industry peers.
Someone should let recruiting know this one doesn't apply anymore
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Old 07-29-2021 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Opteryx
Wow, that’s a pretty significant difference. I have a CJO with Envoy and was looking forward to a class, but maybe I need to look at Republic.
Well, first of all it is not really true at least for Republic. I am sure there are a handful of people that lucked out and got schedules that credited that much with that many days off, but you could probably count them on a single hand. But in reality if you are crediting 90 hours you most likely have 14 days off give or take a day.
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Old 07-29-2021 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Opteryx
Wow, that’s a pretty significant difference. I have a CJO with Envoy and was looking forward to a class, but maybe I need to look at Republic.
Location, Location, Location. Pick a stable regional with a base close to where you live/want to live.
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Old 07-29-2021 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
Well, first of all it is not really true at least for Republic. I am sure there are a handful of people that lucked out and got schedules that credited that much with that many days off, but you could probably count them on a single hand. But in reality if you are crediting 90 hours you most likely have 14 days off give or take a day.
AVERAGE credit has been running somewhere between 73-75 with days off averaging 13-14. It varies from month to month, base to base and plane to plane, but those averages have been holding with the recovery. Probably a bit better pre pandemic.

The other thing that is rarely mentioned is number of lines verses pilots. Since I don’t have actual numbers, I’m going to just say indications are that Envoy does carry a deeper bench of reserves. That in turn really lowers averages for number of days off, but slightly increases credit, since reserve is 11 days off and 75 hours.

None of the AAG regionals really “pick” the flying they do. Yes, they do have some input, but the reality is AAG bean counters decides who flies what. Does Envoy get the worst flight file? Does seem that way, but without the whole picture of ALL the regionals available, you’re making some wild swings.

PBS isn’t going to change any of that. It will benefit the senior pilots and hurt the junior ones, just like any system of bidding. The same sequences that go into lines will go into the PBS pot. Those juicy sequences will be picked up by the senior guys and the cr@??y ones will be left for the junior pilots.
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Old 07-29-2021 | 08:30 AM
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Yes, without rigs / min day or some other forcing function I expect schedules to remain excruciatingly unproductive.
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