Envoy 2021: A New Hope
08-04-2021 | 05:17 AM
#1061
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What are you saying here? 16 170s from Republic where? Are you saying these are planes that will all be flown for AAG? But by who? You’re throwing numbers and carriers out but not really making sense of what is going where.
The six most recent 175s that Republic just bought to fly for AAG we’re all set to come to ENY. AAG saw a way to save some cash during the pandemic and let RAH buy them. The six 170s from CityFlyer may have been a separate transactions but they were very much tied to each other in terms of what AAG is was to send ENY. The seventh 170 was not part of the CityFlyer deal.
The six most recent 175s that Republic just bought to fly for AAG we’re all set to come to ENY. AAG saw a way to save some cash during the pandemic and let RAH buy them. The six 170s from CityFlyer may have been a separate transactions but they were very much tied to each other in terms of what AAG is was to send ENY. The seventh 170 was not part of the CityFlyer deal.
I thought you were saying MQ took used 170s from YX for the new 175s, but that’s not the case and you touched on the CityFlyer deal.
08-04-2021 | 06:51 AM
#1062
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I WAS thinking globally. That’s why I included PDT. Most people have written them off as an “also ran” that will fall by the wayside. But American has to do something with those seat capabilities.
The only vendor, singular, that could, and likely will go away, is Mesa, at the end of their contract. Skywest and Republic aren’t going anywhere.
The only vendor, singular, that could, and likely will go away, is Mesa, at the end of their contract. Skywest and Republic aren’t going anywhere.
08-05-2021 | 06:21 AM
#1064
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They’re already taking on new flying that they won’t be able to staff. Same thing TSA did. It works a little while, then comes street captains, and captain pay to fly as the FO. They’ll get junior FO’s to jump over for the street captains stuff. Then the cancelations get too great and flying starts getting pulled. Skywest, Republic and Mesa are large enough that even with shrinkage they’ll survive. Mesa wisely opened a new income stream with ACMI cargo flying. Sun Country has done the same.
TSA was smaller and it only took about a year from when I predicted they wouldn’t be able to staff the new flying they took on from AAG.
Somebody starting into 121 now should avoid all vendors and focus on WO’s.
Endeavor, Horizon, and AAG. The vendors have a built in profit margin that the WO’s can use to increase pay and working conditions. The WO’s can (and will) improve flow programs to make it such that if you aren’t military or friends and family you’ll need to go through their regional to flow into the mainline. Just a matter of time when competition to fill seats hits harder. LCC’s are already targeting the same university and flight schools that regionals have been. This will make filling regional seats even more difficult.
if you’re already at one of the vendors, get your time and get out before the stagnation and shrinking starts. You’re number one job should be applying and networking your butt out of the regionals. ACMI, LCC, or Legacy are are suitable places to go. If you’re at a WO with flow it gets more complicated, and much depends on your age, if you’re willing to move, and family situation. For many it will be better to wait and flow, for others the front door elsewhere is their ticket. There is no one size fits all answer. For me, flying our troops, doing other specialized govt stuff, never commuting, being home based, and doing my trip all at once giving me huge blocks of time off (up to a month without using any vacation) allows my family to vacation in some way a week or two every month if we want. Lately we’ve been RV camping a lot showing our son the country. We could never do that working 4-3, 3-4 schedules. So for us, ACMI is fantastic. Our recent contract made it a suitable career stop. For others they’ll want day trips which means living in base. If you’re already in the left seat at Envoy the choice gets easier. You aren’t going to go to Frontier or Allegiant if you’re two to three years from flowing. Even then there are exceptions. If you live in Tampa or St Pete, have a family with significant roots in the community, Allegiant may make sense. Each pilot has to weigh the variables for themselves.
08-05-2021 | 06:25 AM
#1065
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They’re already taking on new flying that they won’t be able to staff. Same thing TSA did. It works a little while, then comes street captains, and captain pay to fly as the FO. They’ll get junior FO’s to jump over for the street captains stuff. Then the cancelations get too great and flying starts getting pulled. Skywest, Republic and Mesa are large enough that even with shrinkage they’ll survive. Mesa wisely opened a new income stream with ACMI cargo flying. Sun Country has done the same.
TSA was smaller and it only took about a year from when I predicted they wouldn’t be able to staff the new flying they took on from AAG.
Somebody starting into 121 now should avoid all vendors and focus on WO’s.
Endeavor, Horizon, and AAG. The vendors have a built in profit margin that the WO’s can use to increase pay and working conditions. The WO’s can (and will) improve flow programs to make it such that if you aren’t military or friends and family you’ll need to go through their regional to flow into the mainline. Just a matter of time when competition to fill seats hits harder
if you’re already at one of the vendors, get your time and get out before the stagnation and shrinking starts. You’re number one job should be applying and networking your butt out of the regionals. ACMI, LCC, or Legacy are are suitable places to go. If you’re at a WO with flow it gets more complicated, and much depends on your age, if you’re willing to move, and family situation. For many it will be better to wait and flow, for others the front door elsewhere is their ticket. There is no one size fits all answer. For me, flying our troops, doing other specialized govt stuff, never commuting, being home based, and doing my trip all at once giving me huge blocks of time off (up to a month without using any vacation) allows my family to vacation in some way a week or two every month if we want. Lately we’ve been RV camping a lot showing our son the country. We could never do that working 4-3, 3-4 schedules. So for us, ACMI is fantastic. Our recent contract made it a suitable career stop. For others they’ll want day trips which means living in base. If you’re already in the left seat at Envoy the choice gets easier. You aren’t going to go to Frontier or Allegiant if you’re two to three years from flowing. Even then there are exceptions. If you live in Tampa or St Pete, have a family with significant roots in the community, Allegiant may make sense. Each pilot has to weigh the variables for themselves.
TSA was smaller and it only took about a year from when I predicted they wouldn’t be able to staff the new flying they took on from AAG.
Somebody starting into 121 now should avoid all vendors and focus on WO’s.
Endeavor, Horizon, and AAG. The vendors have a built in profit margin that the WO’s can use to increase pay and working conditions. The WO’s can (and will) improve flow programs to make it such that if you aren’t military or friends and family you’ll need to go through their regional to flow into the mainline. Just a matter of time when competition to fill seats hits harder
if you’re already at one of the vendors, get your time and get out before the stagnation and shrinking starts. You’re number one job should be applying and networking your butt out of the regionals. ACMI, LCC, or Legacy are are suitable places to go. If you’re at a WO with flow it gets more complicated, and much depends on your age, if you’re willing to move, and family situation. For many it will be better to wait and flow, for others the front door elsewhere is their ticket. There is no one size fits all answer. For me, flying our troops, doing other specialized govt stuff, never commuting, being home based, and doing my trip all at once giving me huge blocks of time off (up to a month without using any vacation) allows my family to vacation in some way a week or two every month if we want. Lately we’ve been RV camping a lot showing our son the country. We could never do that working 4-3, 3-4 schedules. So for us, ACMI is fantastic. Our recent contract made it a suitable career stop. For others they’ll want day trips which means living in base. If you’re already in the left seat at Envoy the choice gets easier. You aren’t going to go to Frontier or Allegiant if you’re two to three years from flowing. Even then there are exceptions. If you live in Tampa or St Pete, have a family with significant roots in the community, Allegiant may make sense. Each pilot has to weigh the variables for themselves.
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08-05-2021 | 11:44 AM
#1067
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They’re already taking on new flying that they won’t be able to staff. Same thing TSA did. It works a little while, then comes street captains, and captain pay to fly as the FO. They’ll get junior FO’s to jump over for the street captains stuff. Then the cancelations get too great and flying starts getting pulled. Skywest, Republic and Mesa are large enough that even with shrinkage they’ll survive. Mesa wisely opened a new income stream with ACMI cargo flying. Sun Country has done the same.
TSA was smaller and it only took about a year from when I predicted they wouldn’t be able to staff the new flying they took on from AAG.
Somebody starting into 121 now should avoid all vendors and focus on WO’s.
Endeavor, Horizon, and AAG. The vendors have a built in profit margin that the WO’s can use to increase pay and working conditions. The WO’s can (and will) improve flow programs to make it such that if you aren’t military or friends and family you’ll need to go through their regional to flow into the mainline. Just a matter of time when competition to fill seats hits harder. LCC’s are already targeting the same university and flight schools that regionals have been. This will make filling regional seats even more difficult.
if you’re already at one of the vendors, get your time and get out before the stagnation and shrinking starts. You’re number one job should be applying and networking your butt out of the regionals. ACMI, LCC, or Legacy are are suitable places to go. If you’re at a WO with flow it gets more complicated, and much depends on your age, if you’re willing to move, and family situation. For many it will be better to wait and flow, for others the front door elsewhere is their ticket. There is no one size fits all answer. For me, flying our troops, doing other specialized govt stuff, never commuting, being home based, and doing my trip all at once giving me huge blocks of time off (up to a month without using any vacation) allows my family to vacation in some way a week or two every month if we want. Lately we’ve been RV camping a lot showing our son the country. We could never do that working 4-3, 3-4 schedules. So for us, ACMI is fantastic. Our recent contract made it a suitable career stop. For others they’ll want day trips which means living in base. If you’re already in the left seat at Envoy the choice gets easier. You aren’t going to go to Frontier or Allegiant if you’re two to three years from flowing. Even then there are exceptions. If you live in Tampa or St Pete, have a family with significant roots in the community, Allegiant may make sense. Each pilot has to weigh the variables for themselves.
TSA was smaller and it only took about a year from when I predicted they wouldn’t be able to staff the new flying they took on from AAG.
Somebody starting into 121 now should avoid all vendors and focus on WO’s.
Endeavor, Horizon, and AAG. The vendors have a built in profit margin that the WO’s can use to increase pay and working conditions. The WO’s can (and will) improve flow programs to make it such that if you aren’t military or friends and family you’ll need to go through their regional to flow into the mainline. Just a matter of time when competition to fill seats hits harder. LCC’s are already targeting the same university and flight schools that regionals have been. This will make filling regional seats even more difficult.
if you’re already at one of the vendors, get your time and get out before the stagnation and shrinking starts. You’re number one job should be applying and networking your butt out of the regionals. ACMI, LCC, or Legacy are are suitable places to go. If you’re at a WO with flow it gets more complicated, and much depends on your age, if you’re willing to move, and family situation. For many it will be better to wait and flow, for others the front door elsewhere is their ticket. There is no one size fits all answer. For me, flying our troops, doing other specialized govt stuff, never commuting, being home based, and doing my trip all at once giving me huge blocks of time off (up to a month without using any vacation) allows my family to vacation in some way a week or two every month if we want. Lately we’ve been RV camping a lot showing our son the country. We could never do that working 4-3, 3-4 schedules. So for us, ACMI is fantastic. Our recent contract made it a suitable career stop. For others they’ll want day trips which means living in base. If you’re already in the left seat at Envoy the choice gets easier. You aren’t going to go to Frontier or Allegiant if you’re two to three years from flowing. Even then there are exceptions. If you live in Tampa or St Pete, have a family with significant roots in the community, Allegiant may make sense. Each pilot has to weigh the variables for themselves.
08-05-2021 | 01:55 PM
#1068
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