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Old 10-05-2015 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Of course not, but that is not the primary obstacle for you. The primary obstacle for the flow (and thus upgrades) in the future will be AA's almost certain lack of need for additional pilots starting late next year as they combine the three pre-merger seniority lists in actuality and do more with less via PBS. Just how long it will take them to right-size their pilot/flying equation even WITH retirements (which are still relatively modest for the next few years) is the wild card, but you can be sure it will be at least a year and probably more. You can nitpick that 18 month NLT training date until you flop over if it makes you feel more positive though. What it does is give flexibility to a management who VERY unsure themselves their upgrade/flow projections will TRULY be met and THAT is the message.

Anyone who thinks ANYONE in this industry can predict ANYTHING with any reasonable degree of certainty out 2, 4 or 6 years needs their head examined. It seems Envoy has A LOT of pilots who fit that requirement and even a rep or two.

Did you just make a prediction about AA hiring needs in the next few years and then follow it up with a statement that that anyone who predicts anything in this industry needs their head examined? Really?

I agree with you that it will be hard to predict. That's why, my position all along, has been a wait and see approach.

I'm here now, building time, updating the apps, looking for a move up. If it comes and the flow is looking ugly, I'll bail. If it's looking good, I'll stay.

Sorry you had it rough in your time at Eagle. The next decade plus is looking much better for all of us, not just pilots at Envoy.


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Old 10-05-2015 | 07:40 AM
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Actually, we've posted the facts, the stats, the charts, and the factual data.
You're the one inventing conspiracy theories where there are none.
I've deleted 90% of your post to save those who choose (no demands) to have you on ignore from having to read it.

Well over 60% of all AA new pilot have come from Envoy this year. It must stick in your craw really badly that this next generation isn't going to have to languish at a regional for decades like you did.

Their 6/2.5 is well on it's way to being reality and you simply can't stand it that guys are going to have better careers than you did. You're just acting like a grumpy old crusty bitter little man trying to make yourself feel better at the expense of others.

Do everybody a favor, get lost. Move on, buy a pet or something.
Oh no, the company water boy is here parroting the mantra from HQ. Who else can save us?

Nah-nah-nah! EAGLE FLY CAN!

Help us Eaglefly, the evil salesman is trying to convert us! He is using numbers, history, and deductive reasoning based on current information. This type of sound reasoning won't sit well with me. I need a real person to tell me how it's going to be! We need to slay the salesmen who ignore all the TRUTH, bespoken by eaglefly! You may be outnumbered, outwitted and out classed but all you have to do is say you are right and the salesmen house of cards will crumble, CRUMBLE I tell you, and they have to retreat to their den of doom at EagleLounge (where you have to pay 5$ to post, right eaglefly? right?) where they can scheme new ways to ruin this industry.

All in a day's work of the regional pilot's savior, Eaglefly! Poster of truths, master of conversion, slayer of the salesmen, flex master of the flow, and first of his name!

Sorry, these 30 hour overnights indeed do suck, it's raining, I left my rosetta-stone CD at home, and my kindle needs to recharge (GRRM's books are too damn long).
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Old 10-05-2015 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Shiner
Did you just make a prediction about AA hiring needs in the next few years and then follow it up with a statement that that anyone who predicts anything in this industry needs their head examined? Really?

I agree with you that it will be hard to predict. That's why, my position all along, has been a wait and see approach.

I'm here now, building time, updating the apps, looking for a move up. If it comes and the flow is looking ugly, I'll bail. If it's looking good, I'll stay.

Sorry you had it rough in your time at Eagle. The next decade plus is looking much better for all of us, not just pilots at Envoy.


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Eaglefly: says that people who try to predict this industry needs to have their head examined. Goes to predict AA hiring.
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Old 10-05-2015 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Actually, we've posted the facts, the stats, the charts, and the factual data.
You're the one inventing conspiracy theories where there are none.
I've deleted 90% of your post to save those who choose (no demands) to have you on ignore from having to read it.

Well over 60% of all AA new pilot have come from Envoy this year. It must stick in your craw really badly that this next generation isn't going to have to languish at a regional for decades like you did.

Their 6/2.5 is well on it's way to being reality and you simply can't stand it that guys are going to have better careers than you did. You're just acting like a grumpy old crusty bitter little man trying to make yourself feel better at the expense of others.

Do everybody a favor, get lost. Move on, buy a pet or something.
Yes, telling only one side of a story is truly your goal Mason, just as it always has been. All your points are germane only to the present, yet you want others to assume that is what will occur in perpetuity through the future for 6 years or more. Patently absurd IMO......and once again, another demand at self-censorship.

I have no anger towards others who might have a better flow then me, because in fact, those who do and are young (not like us) WILL have regardless of any delays in the actual movement to AA for the VERY valid reasons I mention. I'm sorry, but I'll have to reject your demand I go elsewhere as in the U.S, differences of opinion are supposed to be part of our make-up.

Might I also suggest commuting from the aforementioned locations I suggested to your chum ?

Sounds like you'd be doing yourself a favor.
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Old 10-05-2015 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by snippercr
Eaglefly: says that people who try to predict this industry needs to have their head examined. Goes to predict AA hiring.
snippercr : The pot calls the kettle black.

Hey, it's what I've heard and not just a guess and not 2,4 or 6 years out, but later next year. You and Mason are sure getting worked up over something completely impossible. BTW, I find the thread on EL childish what with Envoy pilots including you, not only personally attacking other former Envoy pilots not there to defend themselves, but using their actual names in violation of the TOS, but I understand it's a social thing there.

Demented and sad, but social. You and the others must be quite proud of yourselves.

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Old 10-05-2015 | 08:13 AM
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snippercr : The pot calls the kettle black.

Hey, it's what I've heard and not just a guess and not 2,4 or 6 years out, but later next year. You and Mason are sure getting worked up over something completely impossible. BTW, I find the thread on EL childish what with Envoy pilots including you, not only personally attacking other former Envoy pilots not there to defend themselves, but using their actual names in violation of the TOS, but I understand it's a social thing there.

Demented and sad, but social. You and the others must be quite proud of yourselves.
Not sure where the pot/kettle reference came from but if it makes you feel better, hey, all the more.

Also may want to check the TOS about using names. Also may want to check their inability to defend themselves. At least one of the people mentioned in that thread reads/read EL and knows their reputation. But you would probably predict they were too afraid to post because of the good ol boys club EL has become. Why dont you call out people on EL? Oh afraid you will be out numbered there? Think it is a sad/demented/proud social group you stand no chance of fighting even though you, and you alone hold the keys to truth, knowledge, and salvation? Some freedom fighter you turned out to be.

I had high hopes for you eaglefly.

We believe you!

Edit: And finally in the interest in preserving this thread, I'll limit my responses to eaglefly. He has a point he is passionate about, the envoy salesmen have an opposing view. This is not the first time in the history of the internet people have disagreed on topics but were able to move on. Time will illustrate which side is more correct but it wont happen today. Therefore, the academic nature of the envoy-salesmen vs eaglefly is just that.

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Old 10-05-2015 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by snippercr
Not sure where the pot/kettle reference came from but if it makes you feel better, hey, all the more.

Also may want to check the TOS about using names. Also may want to check their inability to defend themselves. At least one of the people mentioned in that thread reads/read EL and knows their reputation. But you would probably predict they were too afraid to post because of the good ol boys club EL has become. Why dont you call out people on EL? Oh afraid you will be out numbered there? Think it is a sad/demented/proud social group you stand no chance of fighting even though you, and you alone hold the keys to truth, knowledge, and salvation? Some freedom fighter you turned out to be.

I had high hopes for you eaglefly.

We believe you!

Edit: And finally in the interest in preserving this thread, I'll limit my responses to eaglefly. He has a point he is passionate about, the envoy salesmen have an opposing view. This is not the first time in the history of the internet people have disagreed on topics but were able to move on. Time will illustrate which side is more correct but it wont happen today. Therefore, the academic nature of the envoy-salesmen vs eaglefly is just that.
What a pathetic tap dance around the fact you chose to participate in such a thread. There was absolutely nothing of good character from any of the guilty ones including yourself of doing that and it was extremely "low rent". Rationalizing it by claiming SOME pilots MIGHT read their names there is ridiculous. The fact is, you have no honorable explanation for that behavior and you know it, so you come up with the above jumbled mass of irrelevancy in the hope it will deflect the reality of what you did.

This thread is about "Envoy information" and what I described was indeed information about Envoy and some of its pilots like you. I know it's uncomfortable to be exposed like that, especially when you have no defense. I'm more then happy to discuss situations instead of people, but in light of the obvious interests of your hatchet team, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Old 10-05-2015 | 09:33 AM
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So eaglefly, feel like responding to my questions? They're not trick questions...pretty basic actually.
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Old 10-05-2015 | 10:28 AM
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Eagle fly sounds a lot like Gavin m.
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Old 10-05-2015 | 12:18 PM
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I feel bad for him. If he had any real connections with family or friends in his personal life he wouldn't feel the need to spend 4 or 5 hours a day on a regional airline thread, trying to win a war of words no one cares about, trying to be a hero and save everybody when no one cried for help. If he had children or grand children he would be at sporting events, practices, or performances. If he had a significant other he would be out vacationing or doing projects around the home or going out to eat or see a movie. If he had friends he would be on the golf course or at the stadium or the bar. The most logical explanation I can think of as to why any grown man in his 50s would waste a quarter of his waking hours in his remaining life left on a regional airline Internet forum arguing with people half his age is this, he has no one to share his life with. No one calls, no one texts. All he has is us. So the next time he posts something negative again, remember, he is hurting inside. He is projecting the misery of his existence onto the screens we all read. APC is his journal, we are his life. So let's all help him have a good one. Throw him a smile from time to time. Let him know he is cared about. Here is to you Eaglyfly, keep posting my friend.
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