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10-06-2015 | 10:56 AM
#1561
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The question(s) from you centered around why I supposedly feel the need to cast my previous employer in a bad light (an ironic claim considering what many of Envoy's present pilots do themselves). Well, if you go back a couple of posts, THAT question is answered right there in black and white. Again, it's not the answer that works for you, but it IS the answer. If it's not the answer you want, it's then christened "B.S.", which in itself is...........well, B.S. We both know nothing I ever say will satisfy you guys, so why keep engaging me. Heck, virtually all of my posts since my statement about AA's future hiring and thus flow have virtually all been self-defense from the usual suspects who do nothing but engage in personal attack, what with mental illness claims and such, and if it weren't for you, I'd probably have not posted on this thread in days. Besides, my old airline is no more and that's one of the foundations to the problem you refuse to recognize. YOUR airline is simply becoming more of separate entity from AAG. Diluted travel benefits, you've now been moved off of Jetnet and there's more to come. The likely flow stoppage next year is nothing personal, just AA doing what other carriers did when they merged, it's just until we truly become ONE carrier, that hasn't started yet.
Face it...........you love conflict and you need someone ELSE to blame for the crappy place you've put yourselves in and I'm just a convenient target. AGAIN, IMO the reality of both AA's hiring/flow plans and Envoy's failure in recruitment will indeed allow your chickens to come home to roost. I'm sure I'll get the blame for both of those components and the result when that becomes evident.
Face it...........you love conflict and you need someone ELSE to blame for the crappy place you've put yourselves in and I'm just a convenient target. AGAIN, IMO the reality of both AA's hiring/flow plans and Envoy's failure in recruitment will indeed allow your chickens to come home to roost. I'm sure I'll get the blame for both of those components and the result when that becomes evident.
My travel benefit hasn't really been diluted, and I still have access to jetnet so not sure what that's all about. I was enjoying both services just minutes ago.
So your answer is basically you are trying to save sheeps like me, and future new hire sheeps, by trying to herd us in the right direction and toward a better future ? Fine, I'll buy that. Why do you want and care to do so ? Since you are willing to "help" then what should someone like me do ? Bail at 100 short of upgrade ? Make a useless lateral move ? Go to a lcc that I don't really care for ? Keep harassing the few corporates I like ? I hope you have better and more efficient advices then that because none of us need that kind of help.
10-06-2015 | 03:33 PM
#1563
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Eaglefly, you're a babbling idiot who still can't answer a simple question. I asked you if you believe DP will stop the flow (after his rah-rah town hall meetings boast how this will be how he staffs the majority of new-hire classes). You seem to think that the flow is worthless for anyone past the 824 and those of us current envoy pilots who "sell" it are doing so for the sole reason that they want others below them. Do I want new-hires below me here? Absolutely! However, I have no reason to believe the flow is a sham as you so eloquently try to preach to us.
As for the flow slowing down due to PBS, merger synergies, etc; is it possible or even likely? Sure, anything is possible. But that doesn't mean the flow is being violated. As long as no relative seniority is being lost, it is what it is. I hope things move full steam ahead, but unlike you, I don't have a crystal ball.
As for the flow slowing down due to PBS, merger synergies, etc; is it possible or even likely? Sure, anything is possible. But that doesn't mean the flow is being violated. As long as no relative seniority is being lost, it is what it is. I hope things move full steam ahead, but unlike you, I don't have a crystal ball.
10-06-2015 | 03:34 PM
#1564
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No I don't love conflict and I don't need to blame anyone. I don't need to, because I actually am still satisfiedwith my decision of coming to work here, for eagle. Whether the future will prove That it was a bad or a good decision ; and regardless of the shenanigans we have been dealing with, all of this won't change the fact that I enjoy(ed) working here. If the music stops tomorrow, then I'll move on. Maybe somewhere in aviation, or just fall back on my three degrees and go back to my previous career. I m disappointed about a few things but I sure am not bitter.
My travel benefit hasn't really been diluted, and I still have access to jetnet so not sure what that's all about. I was enjoying both services just minutes ago.
So your answer is basically you are trying to save sheeps like me, and future new hire sheeps, by trying to herd us in the right direction and toward a better future ? Fine, I'll buy that. Why do you want and care to do so ? Since you are willing to "help" then what should someone like me do ? Bail at 100 short of upgrade ? Make a useless lateral move ? Go to a lcc that I don't really care for ? Keep harassing the few corporates I like ? I hope you have better and more efficient advices then that because none of us need that kind of help.
My travel benefit hasn't really been diluted, and I still have access to jetnet so not sure what that's all about. I was enjoying both services just minutes ago.
So your answer is basically you are trying to save sheeps like me, and future new hire sheeps, by trying to herd us in the right direction and toward a better future ? Fine, I'll buy that. Why do you want and care to do so ? Since you are willing to "help" then what should someone like me do ? Bail at 100 short of upgrade ? Make a useless lateral move ? Go to a lcc that I don't really care for ? Keep harassing the few corporates I like ? I hope you have better and more efficient advices then that because none of us need that kind of help.
I consider pilots like you beyond hope and that would be a waste of my time. I don't think anyone is going to change you or your rock-throwing compadre's minds. It's those minds that are still evaluating a career decision I'm targeting. They don't have to (and shouldn't) take everything I say as gospel, but should balance it out with the other info out there and determine what passes the 'sniff' test. Then, whatever decisions they make, it will be one they can take responsibility for. That's why I recommend Eaglelounge and in fact, TalkAirline as it they are excellent sources to see what really is going on at Envoy and what some of there pilots are really saying. Some do understand the tenuous nature of the situation and rightly are critical of the salesmanship in progress by a misguided few and question that.
10-06-2015 | 03:36 PM
#1565
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Joined: Jun 2008
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Eaglefly, you're a babbling idiot who still can't answer a simple question. I asked you if you believe DP will stop the flow (after his rah-rah town hall meetings boast how this will be how he staffs the majority of new-hire classes). You seem to think that the flow is worthless for anyone past the 824 and those of us current envoy pilots who "sell" it are doing so for the sole reason that they want others below them. Do I want new-hires below me here? Absolutely! However, I have no reason to believe the flow is a sham as you so eloquently try to preach to us.
As for the flow slowing down due to PBS, merger synergies, etc; is it possible or even likely? Sure, anything is possible. But that doesn't mean the flow is being violated. As long as no relative seniority is being lost, it is what it is. I hope things move full steam ahead, but unlike you, I don't have a crystal ball.
As for the flow slowing down due to PBS, merger synergies, etc; is it possible or even likely? Sure, anything is possible. But that doesn't mean the flow is being violated. As long as no relative seniority is being lost, it is what it is. I hope things move full steam ahead, but unlike you, I don't have a crystal ball.
But, I'll answer your question. No, the flow isn't "worthless' for anyone past the 824 and I've never said that. I've simply stated that there will be a period of no flow for awhile while AA aligns its pilots and flying. It means the present projections of 6 year flow are unrealistic for those who come to Envoy now. It's clear you listen to virtually nothing I say, so we will obviously never connect.Now...........back to your emotional rock-throwing. It seems to give you a warm and fuzzy.
10-06-2015 | 04:19 PM
#1566
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Joined: Sep 2014
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Save you ? Where on God's green Earth did you ever get that idea ?
I consider pilots like you beyond hope and that would be a waste of my time. I don't think anyone is going to change you or your rock-throwing compadre's minds. It's those minds that are still evaluating a career decision I'm targeting. They don't have to (and shouldn't) take everything I say as gospel, but should balance it out with the other info out there and determine what passes the 'sniff' test. Then, whatever decisions they make, it will be one they can take responsibility for. That's why I recommend Eaglelounge and in fact, TalkAirline as it they are excellent sources to see what really is going on at Envoy and what some of there pilots are really saying. Some do understand the tenuous nature of the situation and rightly are critical of the salesmanship in progress by a misguided few and question that.
I consider pilots like you beyond hope and that would be a waste of my time. I don't think anyone is going to change you or your rock-throwing compadre's minds. It's those minds that are still evaluating a career decision I'm targeting. They don't have to (and shouldn't) take everything I say as gospel, but should balance it out with the other info out there and determine what passes the 'sniff' test. Then, whatever decisions they make, it will be one they can take responsibility for. That's why I recommend Eaglelounge and in fact, TalkAirline as it they are excellent sources to see what really is going on at Envoy and what some of there pilots are really saying. Some do understand the tenuous nature of the situation and rightly are critical of the salesmanship in progress by a misguided few and question that.
10-08-2015 | 05:04 AM
#1570
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Joined: Jun 2008
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I did the sniff test and You are truly full of ****. you sir are a worthless arrogant condescending prick. Nobody has asked you to save them. Your intentions could very well be noble but your delivery is seriously pathetic and therefore destroys your possible message or opinion. I don't know why you are so screwed up, and you sir, are beyond hope.
You are the one enmeshed in personal attack and foul language and you sir, need to gain some maturity.
A LOT of maturity.
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