Originally Posted by eaglefly

Ahh, what would an Envoy thread be without Curly to round out the rocks thrown by his chums Moe and Larry ?

Looks like we have completed the reunion you three apparently so badly want. Things really must be boring over at EL for you characters to stir up the pot here. I suppose Shemp and Curly Joe should be ambling along shortly anytime now.

Originally Posted by sublime259

Really showing your age with those Three Stooges references there old man! When do you finally retire?

Originally Posted by eaglefly

No, just communicating in the appropriate language only immature children recognize. Me retire ?

Likely before you ever make it to AA (thank god).

Originally Posted by sublime259

Whenever you write anything, you try to sound like some sort of 19th century poet. I'm surprised you don't start quoting Shakespeare lol. That wasn't a compliment btw, mainly because the majority of what you write is nonsensical blabber. Carry on.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

JD is correct (see below) but missed a few....



In addition to those, as a reserve you also get a hotel at the beginning or end of your block of reserve days if needed. Mid block you are hopefully on a trip, and if the trip cancelled in base you'd get a hotel.

To answer your question; only the very most junior on reserve doing daily airport standby or on RAPs not senior enough to get a trip need crashpads, but even they need them much less. It adds up to more money in your pocket at the end of the year, and much less stress.

With their projected movement, guys hired now should have a much better time than the guys hired 2012- early 2015 who suffered through shrinking and relative seniority stagnation. We've only hired 90 all year. 46 were in the past 2.5 months, so it's picking up as things slowly turn around. They've posted 55 upgrades over the past few months, and are projecting a need for at least 200 more next year. We have 300ish senior guys who won't flow to AA, and roughly 1,000 captains. So, of the 700 who will flow or leave, 255 (at least) will need to be replaced over this next year. That's close to 1/3 of our Captains who will flow/leave needing to be replaced in just over 1 year and doesn't take into consideration guys retiring here, leaving for Delta, United and elsewhere. 300 are projected to flow to AA next year. We have 1850 active line pilots, and taking out the 300 who will retire here we have 1550 hoping to step up from here. Just some basic math says that their projections of 2.5/6 for upgrade and flow are very possible. They have to honor those flow programs, or their projections don't hold water.

If their plan is to use flow to attract pilots to work here; then they have to keep that flow going, since the hiring is about to go nuts just about everywhere, guys will have options. If they don't make their flow work as promised, all three of their WO's will vanish as guys bail.

Originally Posted by emb145

Cuj, if something happens and Envoy closes, somehow you can't fly anymore, or you retire......you've got a gift! It wouldn't be any problem for you to transition over to your local GM or Ford dealership and start pushing the latest models out the door OR even better...the used lot could use a top notch sales guy such as yourself.

Originally Posted by emb145

Cuj, if something happens and Envoy closes, somehow you can't fly anymore, or you retire......you've got a gift! It wouldn't be any problem for you to transition over to your local GM or Ford dealership and start pushing the latest models out the door OR even better...the used lot could use a top notch sales guy such as yourself.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

So, in the past telling you their plans on how much we were shrinking, how many planes we were supposed to be losing was telling it like it is..... but telling you their plans now with good news projections is selling.

Ok, got it.
If it hurts the company that pays your bills; that's good, tell us.
If it helps the company that pays your bills; that's bad, don't tell us.

That is pretty much what you're saying. You guys want news and info; but when the projections are good you suddenly don't want them.