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10-28-2015 | 07:32 PM
#1711
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The logistics of the captain situation alone with IOE check airman availablity and fed rides is going to be a hoot to hear about. Almost as entertaining as EL is now, what with all the *****ing and childish cat-fighting going on.
10-28-2015 | 07:39 PM
#1712
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....and in the near quarter century of my time at Eagle, we never trained a completely new captain cadre (750 pilots) in any two year period. Add another 750 F/O's during that time (god knows where they'll all come from) and whoo-boy, that I gotta see.
The logistics of the captain situation alone with IOE check airman availablity and fed rides is going to be a hoot to hear about. Almost as entertaining as EL is now, what with all the *****ing and childish cat-fighting going on.
The logistics of the captain situation alone with IOE check airman availablity and fed rides is going to be a hoot to hear about. Almost as entertaining as EL is now, what with all the *****ing and childish cat-fighting going on.
Management said aprox 200 upgrades next year (that was when AA said they would only hire 600 for next year) + 55 this year, unless they release a new Bid soon.
They only want 400 FOs and you know any regional management inflate those numbers so they can look attractive. Did you remember that in 2016 we got 600 FOs, not many people waited more than 2 weeks for Sim training or IOE.
10-28-2015 | 09:23 PM
#1713
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Not sure how you saw rage in my post. Just annoyance.
10-29-2015 | 06:21 AM
#1715
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It's a good life. Been here over 4 years and bid reserve all but 5 or 6 months. Can probably count on 2 hands the number of 4 day trips I've actually done. Even on months reserve is "bad" its still works better for my situation of wanting to be home the most. Had to pick up a 3 day trip with a lost day (1/3 type) so it finishes early on Halloween.
10-29-2015 | 06:46 AM
#1716
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Who's saying they will train 750 CAs in a year? What are you smoking?
Management said aprox 200 upgrades next year (that was when AA said they would only hire 600 for next year) + 55 this year, unless they release a new Bid soon.
They only want 400 FOs and you know any regional management inflate those numbers so they can look attractive. Did you remember that in 2016 we got 600 FOs, not many people waited more than 2 weeks for Sim training or IOE.
Management said aprox 200 upgrades next year (that was when AA said they would only hire 600 for next year) + 55 this year, unless they release a new Bid soon.
They only want 400 FOs and you know any regional management inflate those numbers so they can look attractive. Did you remember that in 2016 we got 600 FOs, not many people waited more than 2 weeks for Sim training or IOE.
You GOT 600 F/O's NEXT year ?
What are YOU smoking and did you buy it from Mason ?
I do remember a couple of years ago (perhaps 3), Envoy advertised for 600 and got about 105-110 last I heard and that was before the more current crisis regarding lack of new entry-level regional pilots. Fact is, unless Envoy can poach other carriers of their pilots, they have little hope of getting the required 40 pilots/month to feed the Envoy flow/upgrade gerbil wheel Mason trumpets here.
That is my only sin; Simply questioning the claims of certainty OTHERS make here regarding what an Envoy new-hire of today can count on to both upgrade at Envoy let alone flow to AA through Envoy.
Last edited by eaglefly; 10-29-2015 at 06:57 AM.
10-29-2015 | 06:49 AM
#1717
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I didn't say you were on EL, I said you sound like one of those angry Envoy pilots there. It's no wonder my posts rev so many of you into a hissy fit, you misinterpret (or selectively interpret) most of what I say.
10-29-2015 | 07:07 AM
#1718
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From: GV Captain
10-29-2015 | 07:12 AM
#1719
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From: Semi-Retired...
How time flies.
Since our application window opened on Oct. 1, 2013, we’ve collected more than 16,000 pilot applications – and we’ve now completed two years of hiring.
Over that time, we’ve learned some things and we’ve refined our process to make sure we hire not only the most technically skilled pilots, but also pilots that “fit” with and within the American Airlines culture. A lot of time and energy has gone into the development of our pilot recruitment process. You’ll see that technology plays a big role in the initial stages; however, since you are the ones that will fly with these people, we have a group of American pilots that interview the applicants that make it to the final stages of the hiring process, and they have a major voice in the hiring decision.
I’m sure that many of you know pilots interested in applying, so this Recruitment page includes the specifics on the interview process, information about the pilot selection process, instructions on how you can submit references/recommendation letters, and answers to a few common questions.
Now that we’ve got two years of hiring under our belt, I’d like to share some of the hiring differences between the years. View the 2014-2015 Hiring Stats Infographic.
As you can see, flow through agreements and reinstating our recalled pilots are becoming more prevalent in our hiring.
Flow Agreements
For every 500 pilot training slots, 250 or 50 percent are allocated for Envoy flows
For every 500 pilot training slots, 84 slots belong to both Piedmont and PSA
The remaining slots are reserved for recalls and new hires
In 2015, we placed more than 160 recalled pilots on payroll
So, what other factors impact our new hire statistics?
Previous deferrals remain eligible to return to payroll as long as they informed the company as of May 6, 2016
Currently, there are about 900 remaining pilots in a deferral status
A pilot on deferral only needs to give the company a 30-day notice to return to active status.
As we continue to grow, our plan is to bring on more than 1,500 new hire pilots by the end of 2017. It’s exciting bringing on new pilots, and their enthusiasm is contagious. You can feel that enthusiasm whether you’re walking the halls of the Flight Academy or sitting next to them in the cockpit. For all of us it means movement and more opportunity, which is great news for us all.
Captain Kimball Stone
Since our application window opened on Oct. 1, 2013, we’ve collected more than 16,000 pilot applications – and we’ve now completed two years of hiring.
Over that time, we’ve learned some things and we’ve refined our process to make sure we hire not only the most technically skilled pilots, but also pilots that “fit” with and within the American Airlines culture. A lot of time and energy has gone into the development of our pilot recruitment process. You’ll see that technology plays a big role in the initial stages; however, since you are the ones that will fly with these people, we have a group of American pilots that interview the applicants that make it to the final stages of the hiring process, and they have a major voice in the hiring decision.
I’m sure that many of you know pilots interested in applying, so this Recruitment page includes the specifics on the interview process, information about the pilot selection process, instructions on how you can submit references/recommendation letters, and answers to a few common questions.
Now that we’ve got two years of hiring under our belt, I’d like to share some of the hiring differences between the years. View the 2014-2015 Hiring Stats Infographic.
As you can see, flow through agreements and reinstating our recalled pilots are becoming more prevalent in our hiring.
Flow Agreements
For every 500 pilot training slots, 250 or 50 percent are allocated for Envoy flows
For every 500 pilot training slots, 84 slots belong to both Piedmont and PSA
The remaining slots are reserved for recalls and new hires
In 2015, we placed more than 160 recalled pilots on payroll
So, what other factors impact our new hire statistics?
Previous deferrals remain eligible to return to payroll as long as they informed the company as of May 6, 2016
Currently, there are about 900 remaining pilots in a deferral status
A pilot on deferral only needs to give the company a 30-day notice to return to active status.
As we continue to grow, our plan is to bring on more than 1,500 new hire pilots by the end of 2017. It’s exciting bringing on new pilots, and their enthusiasm is contagious. You can feel that enthusiasm whether you’re walking the halls of the Flight Academy or sitting next to them in the cockpit. For all of us it means movement and more opportunity, which is great news for us all.
Captain Kimball Stone
Well..... ?
wrong again, aren't you.
10-29-2015 | 07:43 AM
#1720
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Huh ?
So, Envoy isn't going to transfer 750 captains over the next two-year period ?
Envoy will need to replace them and outside attrition to the tune of at least 40 new-hires each and every month.
I don't see that happening, thus I don't think your gerbil wheel will run like you claim. If is doesn't, there will be much crying to the heavans among many junior Envoy, but you'll be at AA then and that's the goal. Additionally, believing that will run unimpeded for many years is silly and using that silliness to imply certainties to new-hires is absurd. I have to give you some credit. You certainly have a loyal following not unlike that of the Reverend Jim Jones.
Personally, I liked you better as Mason32. You were just as self-absorbed in your proclaimed certainties, but had better info before you got tackled.
I think one factor was you wern't a pack mule then and hadn't taken the Envoy sales managers speakers gavel yet.
Hee-Haw.
So, Envoy isn't going to transfer 750 captains over the next two-year period ?
Envoy will need to replace them and outside attrition to the tune of at least 40 new-hires each and every month.I don't see that happening, thus I don't think your gerbil wheel will run like you claim. If is doesn't, there will be much crying to the heavans among many junior Envoy, but you'll be at AA then and that's the goal. Additionally, believing that will run unimpeded for many years is silly and using that silliness to imply certainties to new-hires is absurd. I have to give you some credit. You certainly have a loyal following not unlike that of the Reverend Jim Jones.
Personally, I liked you better as Mason32. You were just as self-absorbed in your proclaimed certainties, but had better info before you got tackled.
I think one factor was you wern't a pack mule then and hadn't taken the Envoy sales managers speakers gavel yet.Hee-Haw.
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