Envoy Information
10-28-2015 | 03:51 PM
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From: Semi-Retired...
AA internal hiring page updated last week...
1,500 AA new hires is 750 Envoy flows. That's every CA on our list who wants to flow.
How's 2.5 upgrade & 6 year flow looking now ?
How time flies.
Since our application window opened on Oct. 1, 2013, we’ve collected more than 16,000 pilot applications – and we’ve now completed two years of hiring.
Over that time, we’ve learned some things and we’ve refined our process to make sure we hire not only the most technically skilled pilots, but also pilots that “fit” with and within the American Airlines culture. A lot of time and energy has gone into the development of our pilot recruitment process. You’ll see that technology plays a big role in the initial stages; however, since you are the ones that will fly with these people, we have a group of American pilots that interview the applicants that make it to the final stages of the hiring process, and they have a major voice in the hiring decision.
I’m sure that many of you know pilots interested in applying, so this Recruitment page includes the specifics on the interview process, information about the pilot selection process, instructions on how you can submit references/recommendation letters, and answers to a few common questions.
Now that we’ve got two years of hiring under our belt, I’d like to share some of the hiring differences between the years. View the 2014-2015 Hiring Stats Infographic.
As you can see, flow through agreements and reinstating our recalled pilots are becoming more prevalent in our hiring.
Flow Agreements
For every 500 pilot training slots, 250 or 50 percent are allocated for Envoy flows
For every 500 pilot training slots, 84 slots belong to both Piedmont and PSA
The remaining slots are reserved for recalls and new hires
In 2015, we placed more than 160 recalled pilots on payroll
So, what other factors impact our new hire statistics?
Previous deferrals remain eligible to return to payroll as long as they informed the company as of May 6, 2016
Currently, there are about 900 remaining pilots in a deferral status
A pilot on deferral only needs to give the company a 30-day notice to return to active status.
As we continue to grow, our plan is to bring on more than 1,500 new hire pilots by the end of 2017. It’s exciting bringing on new pilots, and their enthusiasm is contagious. You can feel that enthusiasm whether you’re walking the halls of the Flight Academy or sitting next to them in the cockpit. For all of us it means movement and more opportunity, which is great news for us all.
Captain Kimball Stone
Since our application window opened on Oct. 1, 2013, we’ve collected more than 16,000 pilot applications – and we’ve now completed two years of hiring.
Over that time, we’ve learned some things and we’ve refined our process to make sure we hire not only the most technically skilled pilots, but also pilots that “fit” with and within the American Airlines culture. A lot of time and energy has gone into the development of our pilot recruitment process. You’ll see that technology plays a big role in the initial stages; however, since you are the ones that will fly with these people, we have a group of American pilots that interview the applicants that make it to the final stages of the hiring process, and they have a major voice in the hiring decision.
I’m sure that many of you know pilots interested in applying, so this Recruitment page includes the specifics on the interview process, information about the pilot selection process, instructions on how you can submit references/recommendation letters, and answers to a few common questions.
Now that we’ve got two years of hiring under our belt, I’d like to share some of the hiring differences between the years. View the 2014-2015 Hiring Stats Infographic.
As you can see, flow through agreements and reinstating our recalled pilots are becoming more prevalent in our hiring.
Flow Agreements
For every 500 pilot training slots, 250 or 50 percent are allocated for Envoy flows
For every 500 pilot training slots, 84 slots belong to both Piedmont and PSA
The remaining slots are reserved for recalls and new hires
In 2015, we placed more than 160 recalled pilots on payroll
So, what other factors impact our new hire statistics?
Previous deferrals remain eligible to return to payroll as long as they informed the company as of May 6, 2016
Currently, there are about 900 remaining pilots in a deferral status
A pilot on deferral only needs to give the company a 30-day notice to return to active status.
As we continue to grow, our plan is to bring on more than 1,500 new hire pilots by the end of 2017. It’s exciting bringing on new pilots, and their enthusiasm is contagious. You can feel that enthusiasm whether you’re walking the halls of the Flight Academy or sitting next to them in the cockpit. For all of us it means movement and more opportunity, which is great news for us all.
Captain Kimball Stone
How's 2.5 upgrade & 6 year flow looking now ?
10-28-2015 | 05:04 PM
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First, the flows from PDT/PSA are new hires. They are not deducted from the total hired for our 50% calculation; so right off the bat, you're wrong again as usual.
Parker announced hiring of 750, not 700, so again you're mistaken
50% would be 375 next year from Envoy. They can meter to 30 a month which would be 360 for the year; however they have to meet the 50% in the end. So not flowing isn't an option, you're wrong again.
We have about 1,000 CA's and about 300 of them won't flow. That means we are going to flow 1/3 of our Captains in just 1 year. IMHO, This place is about to turn into an upgrade factory. They kept the schoolhouse fully staffed and they kept the sim contracts as if we were still a 3,000 pilot airline. We are overstaffed and starting up a new training program for E175 will not cause a training bubble staffing shortage. The new planes are coming, and we have the fastest flow to AA of all three WO's.
Sure sounds more and more like their 6/2.5 is actually possible.
The pilots will go where the upgrades are reasonable, and the equipment is good. It's been proven already. Sorry it took you a few decades to go to AA; these new kids aren't going to have to deal with any of that.
Just posting facts and numbers. Unlike you, they don't lie.
Parker announced hiring of 750, not 700, so again you're mistaken
50% would be 375 next year from Envoy. They can meter to 30 a month which would be 360 for the year; however they have to meet the 50% in the end. So not flowing isn't an option, you're wrong again.
We have about 1,000 CA's and about 300 of them won't flow. That means we are going to flow 1/3 of our Captains in just 1 year. IMHO, This place is about to turn into an upgrade factory. They kept the schoolhouse fully staffed and they kept the sim contracts as if we were still a 3,000 pilot airline. We are overstaffed and starting up a new training program for E175 will not cause a training bubble staffing shortage. The new planes are coming, and we have the fastest flow to AA of all three WO's.
Sure sounds more and more like their 6/2.5 is actually possible.
The pilots will go where the upgrades are reasonable, and the equipment is good. It's been proven already. Sorry it took you a few decades to go to AA; these new kids aren't going to have to deal with any of that.
Just posting facts and numbers. Unlike you, they don't lie.
It's been such a "good time to be an Envoy pilot" for 6 months now and yet Envoy's new-hire requirements are an INCREASING deficit. The fact is that there simply aren't enough street pilots to fill Envoy classes and poaching isn't likely to make the difference.
Let's see how Envoy does by next Summer.
10-28-2015 | 05:07 PM
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Man you sure do know how to ramble. For those of you that don't want to read the whole thing i'll break it down for you. (Guessing about AA hiring, wondering about envoy hiring, something about how he likes Miss Cleo, insults to Cujo, a crossing of fingers in hopes that Envoy fails)
Godspeed.
10-28-2015 | 05:09 PM
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No you're not. You are predicting the future with certainty. It was Stone who made that "plan" and I read Stone's communique before posting and in addition, the estimate of the recall furlough numbers was based on APA's assumptions claimed in their SLI testimony of earlier this month. You're so intoxicated by the sight of your claims, you've think you're Mason32 again. Never in my life have I encountered such a meglomaniac so certain of his near Christ like proclamations. Again, the next 18-24 months is simply one part of the equation. It's about cleaning Envoy's 824 pilots, not about what an Envoy new hire of today can expect 5 or 6 years from now.
It's been such a "good time to be an Envoy pilot" for 6 months now and yet Envoy's new-hire requirements are an INCREASING deficit. The fact is that there simply aren't enough street pilots to fill Envoy classes and poaching isn't likely to make the difference.
Let's see how Envoy does by next Summer.
It's been such a "good time to be an Envoy pilot" for 6 months now and yet Envoy's new-hire requirements are an INCREASING deficit. The fact is that there simply aren't enough street pilots to fill Envoy classes and poaching isn't likely to make the difference.
Let's see how Envoy does by next Summer.
Which one is it?
10-28-2015 | 05:15 PM
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. Hey, I was at the schoolhouse recently and the instructors and check airman I talked to had no idea how they plane to churn out 750 new-hires plus upwards of 150 recalls next year. That would be great for me as every pilot below me is a GOOD pilot (well, maybe not a few characters here 
), but pilots have a history of spending money based on checks claimed to be in the mail that never arrive or arrive much later then planned.
10-28-2015 | 05:22 PM
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10-28-2015 | 05:25 PM
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Doesn't seem like it from the people who do it. We've been short pilots for years, yet they can't even move the necessary numbets through. I certainly hope they do as again, it would be good for me.
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