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01-25-2015 | 12:57 PM
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PSA was offered 16 seats in the next class (12+ the 4 guaranteed). PSA turned it down because they are hiring and training as fast as they can, and didn't want to lose another 12 senior captains right now if they could help it.
At PSA, IOE is really delayed for new hires due to fewer training captains than they need. Losing even a couple more would have really hurt.
At PSA, IOE is really delayed for new hires due to fewer training captains than they need. Losing even a couple more would have really hurt.
Just sayin
Goodluck.
01-25-2015 | 03:30 PM
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01-25-2015 | 05:23 PM
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There are indeed about 1000 AA pilots on deferred status to return from furlough. However, the TA that will either be ratified or rejected (most likely ratified) on Jan 30. if so, does not require a furloughed pilot to return immediately. They may continue that status until May 2016, so a ratification will not likely mean an IMMEDIATE influx of deferees returning. Some will, but many of those who are choosing to return may indeed wait until at or close to the last minute, depending on their situation. I'd say perhaps half or about 500 (give or take 75 or so) will return.
Any flow/street hiring impact now or throughout 2015 will be driven by internal training logjams and not external contractual issues like PBS, combining International/Domestic, etc. THOSE more significant issues are likely to snowball throughout 2016 starting about Spring. I'd still believe at least 200 AE 824's will flow in 2015 and perhaps 20-40 more. Maybe some in early 2016, but then I'd look for a significant chance for outright cessation of "new-hires" as the scheduling factors combined with returning furloughees concurrently kick in. I think you might see a "hiccup" or two this year. Not sure how many 824's are left, but if you're more then 250-300 back, your odds of significant delay are substantially increased.
Just my .02........
Any flow/street hiring impact now or throughout 2015 will be driven by internal training logjams and not external contractual issues like PBS, combining International/Domestic, etc. THOSE more significant issues are likely to snowball throughout 2016 starting about Spring. I'd still believe at least 200 AE 824's will flow in 2015 and perhaps 20-40 more. Maybe some in early 2016, but then I'd look for a significant chance for outright cessation of "new-hires" as the scheduling factors combined with returning furloughees concurrently kick in. I think you might see a "hiccup" or two this year. Not sure how many 824's are left, but if you're more then 250-300 back, your odds of significant delay are substantially increased.
Just my .02........
My apologies for bad info.
01-25-2015 | 06:43 PM
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01-25-2015 | 08:22 PM
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I second this. Maybe 100 will return. It's not like there's 1000 pilots slouching in their couch eating cheetos waiting for that miracle when they'll get recalled. People move on, and for a highly qualified major airline pilot, well, today the man's got options!
01-26-2015 | 05:58 AM
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You're free to assess things any way you want.
01-26-2015 | 09:47 AM
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I have been trying to follow all of the developments at Envoy over the last several months. I am a former 5 year employee of Envoy (non flying position) and also a King Air captain at a 135. Flying for Eagle (not used to the Envoy name yet) had always been something I wanted to do. My current 135 job has me comfortable because of the decent pay and other factors, however....
Since the new TA has passed, I am once again interested in flying for Envoy. What I am unsure about is the new flow agreement. Is it safe to say that a new hire will definitely flow to AA later in their career? What is a realistic time frame (10 years) ? Forgive my ignorance on this matter, I know there are some unknowns.
What are some other advantages/disadvantages to choosing Envoy as a new hire vs all the other regionals that are hiring?
Since the new TA has passed, I am once again interested in flying for Envoy. What I am unsure about is the new flow agreement. Is it safe to say that a new hire will definitely flow to AA later in their career? What is a realistic time frame (10 years) ? Forgive my ignorance on this matter, I know there are some unknowns.
What are some other advantages/disadvantages to choosing Envoy as a new hire vs all the other regionals that are hiring?
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