Envoy's future
#1331
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Uh....what? Joliet, as a PSA guy I'm sure you must understand how incorrect that is. I'll start off by saying these planes should've gone to Envoy, and they did the right thing. Nobody at Compass wants to take someone else's flying. The PSA group, on the other hand, voted in a concessionary TA to undercut everyone. Compass pilots received gains in their latest contract. Compass pilots didn't vote in the planes, PSA did.
#1332
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AAG - Eagle we need you to take concessions for new planes.
Eagle- uh no.
AAG - PSA we need you to take concessions for new planes. Actually, the concessions are even slightly worse than we offered Eagle.
PSA - (Without Hesitation) Absolutely! No problem! Screw everyone else as long we get ours!
AAG - (did that just happen?)
#1333
Uh....what? Joliet, as a PSA guy I'm sure you must understand how incorrect that is. I'll start off by saying these planes should've gone to Envoy, and they did the right thing. Nobody at Compass wants to take someone else's flying. The PSA group, on the other hand, voted in a concessionary TA to undercut everyone. Compass pilots received gains in their latest contract. Compass pilots didn't vote in the planes, PSA did.
In addition the planes that are being delivered to Envoy are aircraft owned/operated by American Airlines Group. Envoy doesn't own planes or flying.
Oh, and Compass pilots are taking Delta and American mainline pilots flying. Just ask Delta or American pilots. Same with any regional.
They didn't bend over and take concessions like you did. They were simply given to them. Let me make it more clear for you:
AAG - Eagle we need you to take concessions for new planes.
Eagle- uh no.
AAG - PSA we need you to take concessions for new planes. Actually, the concessions are even slightly worse than we offered Eagle.
PSA - (Without Hesitation) Absolutely! No problem! Screw everyone else as long we get ours!
AAG - (did that just happen?)
AAG - Eagle we need you to take concessions for new planes.
Eagle- uh no.
AAG - PSA we need you to take concessions for new planes. Actually, the concessions are even slightly worse than we offered Eagle.
PSA - (Without Hesitation) Absolutely! No problem! Screw everyone else as long we get ours!
AAG - (did that just happen?)
#1334
Thanks, Mason.
As long as progress is being made, I'm happy. My biggest worry was always spite on behalf of AAG. If all childish games are over and we are realistically speaking again it is great news.
So the gang of six are actually engaging our Union again? I assume that Parker, Kirby, et al are part of this gang of six correct?
As long as progress is being made, I'm happy. My biggest worry was always spite on behalf of AAG. If all childish games are over and we are realistically speaking again it is great news.
So the gang of six are actually engaging our Union again? I assume that Parker, Kirby, et al are part of this gang of six correct?
#1335
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You're right, I stand corrected. I mean concessionary LOA. You're correct, Envoy doesn't own flying, but it should've gone to them. The PSA group will walk over everyone to improve their standing. I'm awfully glad I left that place and now work somewhere where I'm treated like a person and enjoy the people I'm flying with. And while we're talking about "knowing what we're talking about in general", it's tremendous Effect, not tremendous Affect.
#1336
My fear is Glass being part of the six... If Glass is involved, there is no hope. BUT, don't fall for the good cop/bad cop routine. We still have just as much leverage as we did before, if not even a little bit more as the pilot-shortage (willing to work at regional wages) has grown.
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PSA pilots received gains in their latest contract too. It would help to know that the CRJ-900 agreements were LOAs, or just know what you're trying to write about in general, that have only had a tremendous positive affect on PSA pilots.
In addition the planes that are being delivered to Envoy are aircraft owned/operated by American Airlines Group. Envoy doesn't own planes or flying.
Oh, and Compass pilots are taking Delta and American mainline pilots flying. Just ask Delta or American pilots. Same with any regional.
How old are you? Are you even a pilot? Qualified on any airplane you keep talking about? Look at what is happening to ExpressJet and Envoy right now. How long do you think PSA would have lasted with only 14 CRJ-700s? Why close the door on opportunity that has only provided growth and an increase and QOL for all PSA pilots, and employees? People are upset the tiny airline didn't just die so they could profit, even after they tried to sell out the new hires with a B-scale. It's funny how the truth gets lost in an unhappy individuals agenda.
In addition the planes that are being delivered to Envoy are aircraft owned/operated by American Airlines Group. Envoy doesn't own planes or flying.
Oh, and Compass pilots are taking Delta and American mainline pilots flying. Just ask Delta or American pilots. Same with any regional.
How old are you? Are you even a pilot? Qualified on any airplane you keep talking about? Look at what is happening to ExpressJet and Envoy right now. How long do you think PSA would have lasted with only 14 CRJ-700s? Why close the door on opportunity that has only provided growth and an increase and QOL for all PSA pilots, and employees? People are upset the tiny airline didn't just die so they could profit, even after they tried to sell out the new hires with a B-scale. It's funny how the truth gets lost in an unhappy individuals agenda.
Old enough to be your dad, but if you were mine,
I would have sold you into slavery early. Now go somewhere else little troll boy.
And of course, you are just spinning lies about the B scale, because you are a worthless troll. The B scale didn't even make it past our (at the time) crooked union. It was **** down in less than a week - the same amount of time it took you guys to happily bend over and spread 'em.
#1339
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What if they offer mainline numbers to Compass and PSA pilots? How much of Eagle will be left then? Dismantling Eagle's fleet and pilot group entirely is what AA has wanted for years, isn't it? Your union leadership has flow through, or are lifers. They aren't looking out for the new generation of pilots being left at the wayside. My guess is they want to keep Eagle going long enough to be able to place the CRJ700s somewhere else. So at least another year.
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