XJT Pilots in support of envoy
09-07-2014 | 02:01 AM
#32
You scratched my anchor
Joined: Feb 2011
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Bad idea to sabotage others in this industry. It may end up biting you. I imagine most/all those guys are at US/AA anyway. And again, mainline does not care what regional you came from. I work with great guys from eagle, gojets, comair, XJT, XJ, PSA, TSA, PCL, SKYW, and PDT.
09-07-2014 | 02:27 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: EMB 145 FO
Really? Tell me about them and we can compare. I accrue 4 hrs of sick time per month. At 7th year of service I get 3 weeks vacation and 4% 401k match. Perdiem, you're right ours is 1.65 vs yours 1.80. We have sap which means I can pretty much do anything I want with my schedule, and two of my trips this month paid $135/hr with 4 hour min day without working a single off day. Of course all this is inconvenient to hear, please continue with "PSA has a crap contract".
3 weeks of vacation
5% match plus a 4% DC (so thats (9%)
1.80 PD
5 Hours Sick a Month
I have Line Improvement and consistently drop to 20 Days off a month
My Vacation is better
My work rules are better
OH AND ONE LAST THING, WERE NOT KILLING A PILOT GROUP LIKE YOU ARE.
09-07-2014 | 02:34 PM
#34
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Joined: May 2009
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Ok hot shot, at 7 years of service I have:
3 weeks of vacation
5% match plus a 4% DC (so thats (9%)
1.80 PD
5 Hours Sick a Month
I have Line Improvement and consistently drop to 20 Days off a month
My Vacation is better
My work rules are better
OH AND ONE LAST THING, WERE NOT KILLING A PILOT GROUP LIKE YOU ARE.
3 weeks of vacation
5% match plus a 4% DC (so thats (9%)
1.80 PD
5 Hours Sick a Month
I have Line Improvement and consistently drop to 20 Days off a month
My Vacation is better
My work rules are better
OH AND ONE LAST THING, WERE NOT KILLING A PILOT GROUP LIKE YOU ARE.
Ding, ding, ding!
Winner!!
09-07-2014 | 04:13 PM
#35
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2008
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From: Left
Ok hot shot, at 7 years of service I have:
3 weeks of vacation
5% match plus a 4% DC (so thats (9%)
1.80 PD
5 Hours Sick a Month
I have Line Improvement and consistently drop to 20 Days off a month
My Vacation is better
My work rules are better
OH AND ONE LAST THING, WERE NOT KILLING A PILOT GROUP LIKE YOU ARE.
3 weeks of vacation
5% match plus a 4% DC (so thats (9%)
1.80 PD
5 Hours Sick a Month
I have Line Improvement and consistently drop to 20 Days off a month
My Vacation is better
My work rules are better
OH AND ONE LAST THING, WERE NOT KILLING A PILOT GROUP LIKE YOU ARE.
your 15 cents more perdiem equates to 540 dollars per year. I can make this up by picking up one day.
you get 12 hours more sick time than PSA per year. If I pick up 2 days IN A YEAR I've made that up.
So there's sick and and perdiem.
How exactly is vacation better? Don't say trip touch because our SAP makes that obsolete.
Can't argue with the 401k. That seems significantly better at comparable longevity.
I doubt your work rules are better. I would pit PSA's against any in the regional sector and be comfortable saying that. Our superior work rules are also available to any pilot not on reserve, regardless of seniority.
Work rules essentially pan out to days off and W2s. Pilots at PSA enjoy more of both than most regionals.
We didn't kill any pilot groups. Eagle made a calculated gamble and unfortunately lost. Their war cry was "no one can staff." That turned out not to be true. They were warned multiple times not to mess with Parker and did not take that advice to heart.
The 700s were gone whether Eagle voted yes, or no. They were told that before there ever was a vote.
It is not "right" or "fair" that AAG was looking for give backs while making record profits. Unfortunately the world does not work on "fair," or "right." AAG was in an advantageous position and exploited it to get what they WANTED, not what they needed.
PSA did not vote to "steal Eagle's acft" they voted to secure that PSA still existed in a year. This most recent news of Eagle's 700s being transferred proved that PSA's assessment of AAG's threat was correct. No one at PSA wants acft this way, and most have friends at Eagle that will be directly harmed by these events.
The seniority system being non-transferable coupled fragmented "unions" with separate seniority lists ensure that this is not the last time a similar scenario will occur.
Good luck to the pilots at Eagle.
09-07-2014 | 04:38 PM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2009
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So one contract in the regionals is better.....
your 15 cents more perdiem equates to 540 dollars per year. I can make this up by picking up one day.
you get 12 hours more sick time than PSA per year. If I pick up 2 days IN A YEAR I've made that up.
So there's sick and and perdiem.
How exactly is vacation better? Don't say trip touch because our SAP makes that obsolete.
Can't argue with the 401k. That seems significantly better at comparable longevity.
I doubt your work rules are better. I would pit PSA's against any in the regional sector and be comfortable saying that. Our superior work rules are also available to any pilot not on reserve, regardless of seniority.
Work rules essentially pan out to days off and W2s. Pilots at PSA enjoy more of both than most regionals.
We didn't kill any pilot groups. Eagle made a calculated gamble and unfortunately lost. Their war cry was "no one can staff." That turned out not to be true. They were warned multiple times not to mess with Parker and did not take that advice to heart.
The 700s were gone whether Eagle voted yes, or no. They were told that before there ever was a vote.
It is not "right" or "fair" that AAG was looking for give backs while making record profits. Unfortunately the world does not work on "fair," or "right." AAG was in an advantageous position and exploited it to get what they WANTED, not what they needed.
PSA did not vote to "steal Eagle's acft" they voted to secure that PSA still existed in a year. This most recent news of Eagle's 700s being transferred proved that PSA's assessment of AAG's threat was correct. No one at PSA wants acft this way, and most have friends at Eagle that will be directly harmed by these events.
The seniority system being non-transferable coupled fragmented "unions" with separate seniority lists ensure that this is not the last time a similar scenario will occur.
Good luck to the pilots at Eagle.
your 15 cents more perdiem equates to 540 dollars per year. I can make this up by picking up one day.
you get 12 hours more sick time than PSA per year. If I pick up 2 days IN A YEAR I've made that up.
So there's sick and and perdiem.
How exactly is vacation better? Don't say trip touch because our SAP makes that obsolete.
Can't argue with the 401k. That seems significantly better at comparable longevity.
I doubt your work rules are better. I would pit PSA's against any in the regional sector and be comfortable saying that. Our superior work rules are also available to any pilot not on reserve, regardless of seniority.
Work rules essentially pan out to days off and W2s. Pilots at PSA enjoy more of both than most regionals.
We didn't kill any pilot groups. Eagle made a calculated gamble and unfortunately lost. Their war cry was "no one can staff." That turned out not to be true. They were warned multiple times not to mess with Parker and did not take that advice to heart.
The 700s were gone whether Eagle voted yes, or no. They were told that before there ever was a vote.
It is not "right" or "fair" that AAG was looking for give backs while making record profits. Unfortunately the world does not work on "fair," or "right." AAG was in an advantageous position and exploited it to get what they WANTED, not what they needed.
PSA did not vote to "steal Eagle's acft" they voted to secure that PSA still existed in a year. This most recent news of Eagle's 700s being transferred proved that PSA's assessment of AAG's threat was correct. No one at PSA wants acft this way, and most have friends at Eagle that will be directly harmed by these events.
The seniority system being non-transferable coupled fragmented "unions" with separate seniority lists ensure that this is not the last time a similar scenario will occur.
Good luck to the pilots at Eagle.
You're so right... No one should ever "mess with Parker". If he wants concessions at the same time all legacies are recording record profits, then don't even think about questioning it, just roll over and do it!!!
What you apologists keep missing is that if we ALL refuse to take cuts, they still have a need to staff flying. They just don't get to keep adding newer, bigger aircraft that they want, while getting the gullible to take concessions so they(management) can make even bigger profits, bonuses, and salaries for themselves!
09-07-2014 | 04:43 PM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2013
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From: Shiny One
Ok hot shot, at 7 years of service I have:
3 weeks of vacation
5% match plus a 4% DC (so thats (9%)
1.80 PD
5 Hours Sick a Month
I have Line Improvement and consistently drop to 20 Days off a month
My Vacation is better
My work rules are better
OH AND ONE LAST THING, WERE NOT KILLING A PILOT GROUP LIKE YOU ARE.
3 weeks of vacation
5% match plus a 4% DC (so thats (9%)
1.80 PD
5 Hours Sick a Month
I have Line Improvement and consistently drop to 20 Days off a month
My Vacation is better
My work rules are better
OH AND ONE LAST THING, WERE NOT KILLING A PILOT GROUP LIKE YOU ARE.
09-07-2014 | 04:48 PM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,809
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From: Left
You're so right... No one should ever "mess with Parker". If he wants concessions at the same time all legacies are recording record profits, then don't even think about questioning it, just roll over and do it!!!
What you apologists keep missing is that if we ALL refuse to take cuts, they still have a need to staff flying. They just don't get to keep adding newer, bigger aircraft that they want, while getting the gullible to take concessions so they(management) can make even bigger profits, bonuses, and salaries for themselves!
What you apologists keep missing is that if we ALL refuse to take cuts, they still have a need to staff flying. They just don't get to keep adding newer, bigger aircraft that they want, while getting the gullible to take concessions so they(management) can make even bigger profits, bonuses, and salaries for themselves!
Mesa would have no problem staffing those 91 additional frames over a 3ish year time span.
PSA would be on life support right now.
I'm not saying it right, I'm just saying that's how it is.
09-07-2014 | 04:57 PM
#39
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 91
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You're so right... No one should ever "mess with Parker". If he wants concessions at the same time all legacies are recording record profits, then don't even think about questioning it, just roll over and do it!!!
What you apologists keep missing is that if we ALL refuse to take cuts, they still have a need to staff flying. They just don't get to keep adding newer, bigger aircraft that they want, while getting the gullible to take concessions so they(management) can make even bigger profits, bonuses, and salaries for themselves!
What you apologists keep missing is that if we ALL refuse to take cuts, they still have a need to staff flying. They just don't get to keep adding newer, bigger aircraft that they want, while getting the gullible to take concessions so they(management) can make even bigger profits, bonuses, and salaries for themselves!
09-07-2014 | 05:00 PM
#40
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 193
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From: Mannin' deez blenps
No, if we had said no Mesa would've received 30 900s and 47 700s and probably 14 more 700s. Their pilots would've voted on nothing.
Mesa would have no problem staffing those 91 additional frames over a 3ish year time span.
PSA would be on life support right now.
I'm not saying it right, I'm just saying that's how it is.
Mesa would have no problem staffing those 91 additional frames over a 3ish year time span.
PSA would be on life support right now.
I'm not saying it right, I'm just saying that's how it is.
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