If aag presented a pay proposal it would be pay cuts.

 

Also, talking to them today, they said AAG knows they have to do something. They just don't know what...

How about if we start with pay raises and then we continue with bases and better reserve rules?

That's what they should be doing...take note AAG.

Pilots are folowing the money. Gotta give them money...

 

A better start would be for management to begin respecting us and our contract.

 

One thing that may not be apparent to many is that if AAG agrees to contract improvements at Envoy outside of section 6, APA will publicly pounce on them for their hypocrisy. Parker has steadfastly represented to APA that they do not and will not entertain improvements to AA pilots industry trailing contractual provisions until section 6 negotiations years from now. If they suddenly give Envoy improvements in opposition to that supposed standard, it cramps their supposedly immovable position represented to APA which means simply throwing more money at Envoy pilots will put more pressure on them to throw more at AA pilots thus making this move potentially a lot more expensive then it appears at first glance.

Another aspect is that I'm sure they question whether simple pay raises would have much impact truly keeping Envoy pilots from accepting positions at legacies or especially LCC's and in this I think that is correct. Personally, I think it would be throwing good money after bad and the real solution has to be something outside Envoy in and of itself. It will have to be a (painful for them, I'm sure) admission that they've screwed up and significant investment in their operations pilots across the board from mainline through to regional. Since the resource of pilots is still flush for legacy flying, that is where IMO they should apply their efforts just like Delta and UAL as ultimately, that has the best chance at maximizing the career benefits to both present and future pilots operating the smaller regional sized aircraft on behalf of AA. AAG once again just demonstrated their penchant for being followers of others by altering their FF model to money spent as opposed to miles earned just like the others, so this would be nothing new.

The clock is ticking for AAG and hopefully whatever solution they decide on will be correct and timely. The longer they kick this can, the higher likelihood of mortal infection from a rusty over-kicked can.

 

Is Envoy the only wholly owned that got approached for a pay increase?

 

Isn't it ALPA that has approached Envoy ?

 

Uhhhhhhh....
1. Pay raises
2. Growth
3. Stop violating the contract
4. Make this a desirable place to work

 

Does anyone know the realistic reserve out of ORD?

 

Depends on the Airframe. I think 2.5 to 3 year guys are getting lines on the 145 and 2 year guys are around the line cutoff on the CRJ.

 

...if the union can get management to comply with #1 and #3, #2 and #4 will happen, but the donuts were a nice touch to soften the blow in ORD today!